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All Forum Posts by: Tiffany Plovie

Tiffany Plovie has started 9 posts and replied 167 times.

Post: Taking items in lieu of rent

Tiffany PloviePosted
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 86

I would evict as well. There is too much room between the perceived value and what the actual market will pay.

@Pavel S.

I would need to know more about what numbers you are working with in order to suggest recommended areas. Personally, I am looking at Pierce County, as I have found a couple of investment properties that both cash flow and are affordable. However, I know some people have found luck in the Everett area and Skagit county (as has been mentioned before).

I look for multi-family units that are close to colleges and universities. There is automatic demand between the students and professors. Downtown Tacoma is gentrifying. Between the hospitals (which provides an annual influx of residents from out-of-state), three colleges and the light rail, I see a lot of potential.

I am sure @Brandon Turner would have great advice about the Greys Harbor and Montesano areas as well.

I am not sure if you saw this, but he is speaking at the Washington Landlord Association Conference this Saturday. Here is the link:

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/521/topics/131119-washington-landlord-association-conference---brandon-turner-speaking

I think the conference would be worth attending if you can make it.

Post: Newbie looking to buy a vacation rental in WA

Tiffany PloviePosted
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 86

@Michael Molnar Welcome to BP! I am also located in Bellevue. It is always good to see a neighbor on the board!

Wow! You have a wonderful array of choices at your fingertips! In order to help you, I would need to know a little bit more about your current situation. What are your numbers? Just give me a ball-park range and I will see what I can come up with.

As an agent focused on investment, I have sold homes in many different areas, for many different purposes. Ideally, you would want to buy a home in an area that will appreciate well over time. Look for properties that have differentiating features and a location that is hard to replicate.

As an example, Suncadia is a wonderful resort. I love to visit there as they allow my (very large) dog, have a good restaurant, easy access to hiking trails and a golf course. However, I would caution anyone from buying there, as so many similar properties are springing up nearby. Eventually, one development will end up being the newer version of Suncadia- leaving the original buyers holding a property that will not be able to maintain high rental rates.

In comparison, Lake Chelan is different, because the topography of the area limits development.

Also, a warning about the San Jaun's... They have an additional 1% tax that is added to all real estate purchases. It goes into the San Jaun Preservation Trust to preserve the natural lands of the islands.

What areas appeal to you the most?

@Cam Mckin

I am responding from one person to another, that has had a sick parent dealing with cancer. It is heart-breaking to watch someone you love go through such a life-altering experience. I am not sure what your mom's prognosis is, but rest-assured that your presence will mean the world to her.

You have already done a lot of the first- steps needed to take action in Florida, so it is of my opinion that you continue to research and buy there. I would reach out to other BP'ers who invest in Florida and ask their advice. Develop a strong support system, an on-the-ground team that can pitch in when needed. Do you have an agent that you can trust? A friend that can be there for inspections, bids from contractors, ect., if needed?

Real estate is what allowed me to be there for my mom and care for her while she battled breast cancer. I would sit with her and peruse the MLS for deals to explore in my 'off' time. I would have it no other way.

It can be done.

@Daniel Hart

I am sorry that I misunderstood what you were originally asking.

I must admit that I am concerned about you being sued by your partner for the transference of a bad deed, although it was unintentional. You can still be personally named in a civil lawsuit, despite the business transaction taking place under the umbrella of an S-Corp. I would consult an attorney about this matter, and get some REAL advice.

You may be looking for remedies to this situation, but you still need to CYA as much as possible.

@Daniel Hart

You are not going to like my reply. You need to speak to an attorney, one who is skilled with title insurance companies and practices real estate law exclusively.

While I am not an attorney, I used to work for a commercial litigation firm. Our main clients were large banks and lending institutions. Several times I saw frivolous lawsuits come across my desk demanding a lien or judgment against a debtor, simply because they could take advantage of a simple mistake or in retaliation of party who had filed suit against them. It was easy income for them.

In a nutshell, you are running with the big dogs.

Title insurance companies and banks have lawyers on retainer to fight people like you (and your partner) all day, every day. In fact, even if the company is in the wrong, one of their main strategies is to wear you out and drain your resources so that you can no longer pursue the suit. They make sure that this happens long before the case comes in front of the judge. In this case, your best hope would be a settlement.

Out of all of the professionals that dropped the ball, your best recourse of action may be against your attorney. However the chances of having a positive outcome are low at best, unless you have documentation saying that the there were no problems with the title...

Which brings me to the question:

Do you have documentation from your attorney saying the title was clear? Were your conversations mainly via phone or email? There is a big difference... Emails (in most states) can now be used as evidence... Did he say that he was 'unable to prove the other party's claims were true?' If so there is a big difference between being unable to prove something and saying that there are NO other claims on title. It would be similar to me saying that I can't prove aliens exist, and knowing for a FACT that they don't. One statement is based off of assumption, the other is based off of fact.

An attorney has a responsibility to represent you to the best of their ability. If you can prove that he misled you into thinking something that wasn't true or was negligent in his duties, you may have a case. Again, talk to an attorney.

The third, and most hopeful outcome, would be to come to some sort of agreement with the owner about the possibility of conveying the property into a duplex or adding on a garage with a mother-in law (sometimes still legal in areas were multi-family units are against code) to generate some income. I would also try to get him to sign a 'Right of First Refusal' contract for his interest in the property.

The last action, and the one your attorney is likely to suggest, would be to let the property go to foreclosure. It will damage your credit and hinder your ability to buy real estate, but it will not stop you from still being active in other methods of investing. However, if you go this route, I will advise you that most states award deficiency judgments (the amount owed on the note less the profit made at the foreclosure sale). This amount is considered taxable income by the IRS, and you can later be sued by the note-holder for the difference (at this point a judgment can be entered against you and your wages garnished or liens placed against properties owned, ect.). If you do decide to go this route, hire a good tax attorney. There are ways to protect yourself so that the IRS cannot claim income based off of a deficiency judgment. Also, before going to foreclosure, pressure the bank or note-holder to sign a contract saying that they will not hold you liable for any losses (it can be done, just be persistent and talk to many different people until you get something in writing).

As you may have noticed, I have not mentioned your partner in this post because frankly, I do not know enough about your partnership or agreement with him. Were the terms in writing? This is where options get tangled. Again, see an attorney.

This post is much longer than what I intended it to be... As I know that not knowing where you stand can be much more stressful than having some inkling of what may happen, I tried to shed some light on the situation. I wish you the best...

In the future, trust your gut! Our instincts have kept our species alive for centuries. They were developed for a reason. If something doesn't feel right, DON'T DO IT!

Post: Partnering on my first deal

Tiffany PloviePosted
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 86

@Josh Rich I like all of your answers. However, you didn't mention anything about a formal contract that would lay out EXACTLY what is expected of your partnership.

As you may be able to detect, I am speaking from experience. I believe that most people form partnerships with good intentions, but as they say, 'the road to h*ll'... Was paved with good intentions.

Get everything in writing. It will clarify expectations and prove that you are a man of your word when you hold up your side of the deal.

Post: New Member from Seattle eastside WA

Tiffany PloviePosted
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 86

@Steve K.

Welcome to BiggerPockets! I am relatively new to the forum as well, but have been actively involved in real estate since 2002. If you need some help, or just someone to run the numbers by, give me a shout!

I would love to get some of the newbies and regular contributors from our area together to discuss what has worked for us, what hasn't and what we hope to achieve. I believe that @Brandon Turner has mentioned planning a meetup in the Olympia area.

Post: Zillow the Good, Bad,or the Ugly!!?? You decide

Tiffany PloviePosted
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 86

I am not concerned with Zillow replacing real estate agents. Their data is seldom correct. I recently pulled up my family home. The estimate was off by more than 75k, due to incorrect data (wrong number of beds/baths). It was ridiculous! However, I do find their trends helpful to give me a quick snapshot of an area.

When the day comes that the average homeowner can successfully negotiate and manage their own transactions, then I will be worried. Frankly, emotions often run too high for the typical homeowner to represent themselves effectively.

Interesting article...

Post: Peter Harris Coaching - Disappointed

Tiffany PloviePosted
  • Bellevue, WA
  • Posts 183
  • Votes 86

Hi Karma ( I, too, love your name),

My first ventures into real estate investing began around 2002. I know how frustrating it is to work so hard for something only to lose it, the knowledge or techniques to become out of date and to feel that you have lost your 'edge'.

However, I want to remind you that the same mentality that allowed you to first build your wealth still exists and is retained within you. The same drive to succeed.

You may feel humbled now, and unsure of what move to make. This is understandable. It demonstrates that you are willing to learn from your mistakes and the right mentor will see that. While I do believe it is important to have mentors (I, myself, am looking for one), it is important to not undervalue what you bring to the table.

If you are unwilling or unable to bring the funds requested to the table, be willing to start small. Eat humble pie and begin at the beginning. The commercial deals will come, you just have to build a foundation first.

Undoubtedly, many more of the experts will chime in with great advice and wisdom. Take their advice seriously, but remember that it is you, and only you, who is responsible for your success at the end of the day.