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All Forum Posts by: Thomas Bullock

Thomas Bullock has started 7 posts and replied 14 times.

Post: Things to look for in a real estate geared CPA

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I'm looking for a new CPA this year to help utilize tax advantages. I own one multi-family real estate property so there isn't too much required but I would still like to start building a relationship with a solid CPA. My CPA now is fine but I'd like to find someone who is more real estate-oriented and understands the space a bit more. What qualities do you look for in a good real estate CPA? Any recommendations for the Manchester NH area would be fantastic. thank you.

Post: Things to look for in a real estate geared CPA

Thomas Bullock
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I'm looking for a new CPA this year to help utilize tax advantages. I own one multi-family real estate property so there isn't too much required but I would still like to start building a relationship with a solid CPA. My CPA now is fine but I'd like to find someone who is more real estate-oriented and understands the space a bit more. What qualities do you look for in a good real estate CPA? Any recommendations for the Manchester NH area would be fantastic. thank you.

Post: Investing with a partner and making a business out of it

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Quote from @Benjamin Aaker:

Partners are the worst thing to have when doing business and should only be involved if they provide expertise, work, or capital. There's no other good reason to partner up. Help us understand why you are working with a partner. The partner will not really split risk with you. As an owner, you have the same liability. For loan approval, you will each need to guarantee the loan. These benefits are small. 

If the partner provides one of the above things, then make sure you can work together well before signing an agreement. This will prevent you from getting a VA or FHA loan. Remember, these are set up for homeowners and rules discourage or prevent investments. Most investors do not benefit from these types of loans.

To partner, you need to set up an LLC, and have a solid operating agreement. You need to think about and discuss what you will do if you disagree about something, or one of you wants to get out. A good attorney will be valuable here.


 

Well i guess the main reason for it is to get approved for more money so i can actually afford these multi families and to pool money for closing costs

Post: Investing with a partner and making a business out of it

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Well i guess the main reason for it is to get approved for more money so i can actually afford these multi families and to pool money for closing costs

Post: Investing with a partner and making a business out of it

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My friend and I purchased a 3 family home about 2 years ago. We started out by watching bigger pockets youtube videos and dove right in. I see tons of success stories and I’m trying to get myself in that position as well one day.

I can't seem to wrap my head around how to make a "business" out of the real estate avenue I've chosen. I want to buy multi family properties with 30 year fixed rate loans. The issue I'm noticing is that doing this strategy with a partner who isn't a spouse is foreign to most people. Every time i mention my investment strategy to other investors, they don't understand why I'm working with a partner. In addition, loans have been difficult to process while working with a partner. We're both veterans and we're trying to start out by using VA loans and FHA loans to avoid the massive down payments, but there are restrictions with those loans. So now my partner and i are both on the loan but only collecting 50 percent of the income. So now our debt to income is negative which makes purchasing the next property difficult.

So here’s my dilemma… I can’t afford 20 percent down to go conventional and avoid all the owner occupancy restrictions and what not. So the alternative is working with a partner to be able to increase my loan approval, split the risk, and obviously help with management. Seems like a great deal. So how do I make working with a partner a business and become one unit instead of 2 individuals.

This is long winded and I guess I don’t have a clear question. Im looking for any insight or any mentorship in how I can organize this strategy because as it stands, I can’t process how this actually works in terms of scaling.

Post: Investing with a partner and making it a business

Thomas Bullock
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My friend and I purchased a 3 family home about 2 years ago. We started out by watching bigger pockets youtube videos and dove right in. I see tons of success stories and I’m trying to get myself in that position as well one day.

I can't seem to wrap my head around how to make a "business" out of the real estate avenue I've chosen. I want to buy multi family properties with 30 year fixed rate loans. The issue I'm noticing is that doing this strategy with a partner who isn't a spouse is foreign to most people. Every time i mention my investment strategy to other investors, they don't understand why I'm working with a partner. In addition, loans have been difficult to process while working with a partner. We're both veterans and we're trying to start out by using VA loans and FHA loans to avoid the massive down payments, but there are restrictions with those loans. So now my partner and i are both on the loan but only collecting 50 percent of the income. So now our debt to income is negative which makes purchasing the next property difficult.

So here’s my dilemma… I can’t afford 20 percent down to go conventional and avoid all the owner occupancy restrictions and whatnot. So the alternative is working with a partner to be able to increase my loan approval, split the risk, and obviously help with management. Seems like a great deal. So how do I make working with a partner a business and become one unit instead of 2 individuals?

This is long winded and I guess I don’t have a clear question. Im looking for any insight or any mentorship in how I can organize this strategy because as it stands, I can’t process how this actually works in terms of scaling.

Post: Making a business out of real estate investing and working with a partner

Thomas Bullock
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My friend and I purchased a 3 family home about 2 years ago. We started out by watching bigger pockets youtube videos and dove right in. I see tons of success stories and I’m trying to get myself in that position as well one day. 

I can't seem to wrap my head around how to make a "business" out of the real estate avenue I've chosen. I want to buy multi family properties with 30 year fixed rate loans. The issue I'm noticing is that doing this strategy with a partner who isn't a spouse is foreign to most people. Every time i mention my investment strategy to other investors, they don't understand why I'm working with a partner. In addition, loans have been difficult to process while working with a partner. We're both veterans and we're trying to start out by using VA loans and FHA loans to avoid the massive down payments, but there are restrictions with those loans. So now my partner and i are both on the loan but only collecting 50 percent of the income. So now our debt to income is negative which makes purchasing the next property difficult.

So here’s my dilemma… I can’t afford 20 percent down to go conventional and avoid all the owner occupancy restrictions and what not. So the alternative is working with a partner to be able to increase my loan approval, split the risk, and obviously help with management. Seems like a great deal. So how do I make working with a partner a business and become one unit instead of 2 individuals.

This is long winded and I guess I don’t have a clear question. Im looking for any insight or any mentorship in how I can organize this strategy because as it stands, I can’t process how this actually works in terms of scaling.

Post: Best Loans to use to scale

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Quote from @Dylan M. Davis:
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Quote from @Dylan M. Davis:

For your next purchase, would you consider a hard money lender or private debt? Do you have enough liquidity to cover a 20% down payment? Hard money doesn't consider your DTI (debt-to-income) it only is qualified on the property financials, borrower liquidity/credit/experience. And the great thing is, servicing doesn't see your names attached to the loan, therefore allowing you to take out as many loans as you'd like with little impact to credit.. (unless a default or judgement occurs of course)


 Ideally id like to go fha or use my va loan but if thats not an option because of the tight restrictions on these loans, then ill surely consider the other types. We do not have enough to cover 20%. I dont see how its possible to scale at any rate faster than a property every 2 years without having a major savings from the start.


I would say the BRRR method is the best to begin growing a portfolio. This is buying a property distressed with a short term 12 month IO loan - renovating (value-add) - and then cash-out refinancing at 6 months. If you do your calculations correctly and appraisals at the new value come back as they should you would be able to pull the equity you have in the deal out as well as the difference between mortgage-owed and the current value. Giving you proceeds to move on and do more properties. This can be a slow going process to start but once you have a good portfolio of properties the equity will be there to scale... doing low down payments and variable rate mortgages etc. is risky and doesn't leave enough skin in the game to do much with.


 Great advice. I'll do some more research on that and start my hunt.

Post: Best Loans to use to scale

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Quote from @Dylan M. Davis:

For your next purchase, would you consider a hard money lender or private debt? Do you have enough liquidity to cover a 20% down payment? Hard money doesn't consider your DTI (debt-to-income) it only is qualified on the property financials, borrower liquidity/credit/experience. And the great thing is, servicing doesn't see your names attached to the loan, therefore allowing you to take out as many loans as you'd like with little impact to credit.. (unless a default or judgement occurs of course)


 Ideally id like to go fha or use my va loan but if thats not an option because of the tight restrictions on these loans, then ill surely consider the other types. We do not have enough to cover 20%. I dont see how its possible to scale at any rate faster than a property every 2 years without having a major savings from the start.

Post: Best Loans to use to scale

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Quote from @Kerry Baird:

Transferring title to an LLC won't change the situation that you are personally guaranteeing the mortgage. Title conveys ownership, so the owner would be the LLC. Lenders may exercise their right to call the loan due if title changes without their permission. The debt would still show up.

Fastest way forward? There are a lot of options.  To expand on the comment above mine, hard money can be between 10 and 12% interest and can get you into houses quickly.  From there, they still need to make sense in order to fix and flip, and rarely make sense as rentals.  You’d still need to season the loan for at least 6 months and then do a rate & term refinance, or possibly a cash out refinance.  

The DSCR mortgage that Eliott mentioned above is for properties held in LLCs. Rates for mine have been about one interest rate point higher than conventional loans. My husband and still personally guarantee the mortgages, but the title is held in an LLC. We don't have to show W-2 income or tax returned, but we need to show proof of funds and they require a larger down payment.

I also like to use owner financing, which is when a seller carries back a mortgage for me.  I have paid 6% interest only on my last two deals, and these loans do not show up anywhere, I don’t have origination costs, no credit pull.  I have had tired landlords carry the mortgage back.  They want a lump sum to get some of their equity back, and then they continue to get monthly payments from me.  


 Hi Kerry, thanks for the response.

So you're saying that transferring a title with the lender permission, into an LLC will only change ownership. My partner and I will still show the debts personally?

Hard money generally isn't used for long term investment properties? Why is that the case? Is it still worth looking into or should that route be avoided altogether for my current situation?

DSCR mortgage can only be used with LLCs?

The last option you mentioned sounds very interesting but also difficult to pull off.

Thank you for your response!