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All Forum Posts by: Tim Bishop

Tim Bishop has started 9 posts and replied 175 times.

Post: It's been a few years since I've been logged in, Fort Worth TX

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

I haven't logged in to biggerpockets in years and it's been even longer since I was active, so I figured I'd re-introduce myself.

I'm a full time agent/investor. Currently making most of my income as an agent. Buying a rental in few weeks so that's exciting. Got appointed as a city planning commissioner last year so I get to learn a lot about development without having to take the risk myself yet, but I'm working towards that. I've done a lot of land deals (50+) but never develop them, just buy low and sell high. I've also got a wife and two kids who tolerate my career well and are the best part of my life.

Anyway, good to be back, plan to be active and hope to become a better investor and agent.

Post: Ethical issues with land flipping

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

In my experience (TX and CO), most of the properties that end up on delinquent lists are worth under 20k, most have title issues and most are small acreage homesites, often without access to some public utitlities.  These parcels have very a very small group of buyers, most realtors won't touch them unless they ask a very large (by percentage) flat fee..  These property owners are left either selling them by owner... which requires some combination of good pictures/description/salemanship/market knowledge... or a really really low price.  You are looking for the ones that are left with the low price option.  These people typically do not live nearby, have owned the property for a long time, and may have serious title issues (minor ones are very common).  If you are willing to work with the sellers who haven't found a realtor or are unwilling to look for one and don't want to go through the trouble of fsbo... Then often you will literally be giving them money for nothing if they would later lose it at the tax sale and the state doesn't allow collection of overages.  To make your money you can improve it (clean it up and have it surveyed... or have title issues resolved during closing) or list it fsbo at a still super low price but more than you paid.

Taking advantage of people would look something like.... mailing to that same list and telling them that they are very close to losing the property whether they are or not, lying to them... like telling them that you are offering market value, telling them that you can close in seven days and then stretching it out to 45 days because you don't have the money, offering less to a seller that can't make rational decisions, telling them that they get nothing if it sells at a tax sale when the state has a clear system for overage collection etc...  Just be honest about yourself, the property, your intent, and do what you say you will do.

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

@Jay Hinrichs

I'd be glad to put in some bird dogging hours.  PM me what you're thinking and we'll go from there!

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

@Jay Hinrichs

Yeah that's the cash in my pocket number.  I'm looking at it as a way to nearly cover my purchase price and move on to other deals while I make a longer play on it.  I know the area so that's why I'm marketing in East TX instead of the 10k per acre promised land up north!  I wouldn't call any scenario with this deal a home run... but for me, I'd call it worth it.  Being cash heavy enough for East TX is a different number than being cash heavy enough in the northwest!  I'm not even considered cash heavy in East TX... I'd call it, enough cash to make some deals lol.  Would love to be involved in the northwest if the opportunity presents itself.

@Cheryl Bolognese

Feel free to jump back in and take this thread back if there's more to your question that hasn't been answered.

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

@Jay Hinrichs

I'm looking at East TX timberland, pine and hardwood on parcels that haven't been managed as a plantation.  I've been looking at the value of the timber as a way to cover the purchase price in an effort to increase convert it's use or to hold for a long period of time.  An example... I've got 20 acres in escrow for 350 per acre with an appraisal from a forestry pro on the standing pulpwood (sweetgum and pine) at net 300-400 per acre.  It's landlocked so I'm working on getting an access agreement for harvest.  This will buy me time to work on getting a deeded easement or buy adjacent properties and follow the same route until I hit an access point.  Would make a good weekend hunting camp... which is big in Tx as we've got very little public land, if I hit the road it might also be a good mini ranch type homesite, it's within the longview metro area.  Best case scenario... I buy a strip that hits the road and increase the value to 2-3k per acre depending on how much neighboring property I can acquire.  Worst case scenario assuming is either hold onto it and pay the taxes until something happens, or sell it with an as is value of around 700-900 per acre... hard to sell after harvest and especially landlocked but I've moved some that way.

I honestly just really like timber and got interested in the pre tax land thing as a way to get my hands on some and see where it takes me...  So far I've only run into a few where the timber value makes much of a difference but hoping for more.

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

@Jay Hinrichs

That's not too far off, I grab them before the tax sale using a delinquent tax list that I order from the county... makes it so I never have to leave the house!  I target 3 acres + worth 15k retail + and try to make cash profits of at least 5k or collect my initial investment as a down payment and finance but so far mostly cash sales.  I'm not efficient enough to buy at 50 and sell for 300 in any kind of volume lol.  I'm always looking for ways to maximize a parcel instead of just flipping it.  Timber and landlocked parcels are also something I've got my toe in.  btw I wasn't directing any advice on buying and selling towards you, I couldn't tell you much that you don't know.

I've heard your name from some really great bp members as someone I should get to know.  If you're ever in Fort Worth lets have lunch.

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Cheryl Bolognese   you could spend an in ordinate amount of time on this and have no buyers..

I absolutely agree that you could spend tons of time digging through property records and waste your time on the phone with people who have no interest in talking to you.  A lot depends on what you have to offer.  If the property you are calling about has no value to them you are wasting your time.

I use this method often.  The example I gave took me 5 minutes to find on a county system I'm not familiar with.  In a county I'm familiar with... I can find my first phone number like that in about 30 seconds, especially if the mapping is good and I can just go straight to it and start clicking on nearby similar properties... Hunt County TX for example.  It has a lot to do with having at least average computer skill level.  As far as whether you'll find buyers for vacant land that way... yes, if it's priced right and you are calling people who would be interested in that type of property and are looking to acquire more... Is it worth your time?  maybe.  

The biggest thing that helps me to make a profit on vacant parcels is not to pay much for them in the first place and to find property owners who hate paying tax on some piece of dirt they never set foot on.  After that I post the property for sale, I call others with similar properties, and I follow up with potential buyers... I also take the first reasonable offer and move on... for vacant land it's not worth waiting another 3 months for a better offer normally.  Another thing, if you plan to try to wholesale these.... you're probably much better off just closing on them (at the right price)... they don't fly off the shelves... Adjacent landowners that are not companies also can be good to contact but normally you won't find a phone number and will need to send a letter.

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

UI just stands for user interface.  An interactive GIS is a parcel map that you can zoom in and move around in, click on and get data for specific parcels... vs just a map that only shows boundaries and parcel numbers

Cad stands for central appraisal district.  I looked at Portage county (rural county just east of stow) and they call it the county auditor.  I did a sample search for llc but it could only search in the first or last name so I sorted by vacant land and then residential vacant land and came up with pages and pages of owners http://portagecountyauditor.org/Results.aspx?Searc...

If you look through you'll find repeats on the same page.  I went through and found "BREEZY POINT LTD PARTNERSHIP".  I clicked on it and opened up the property profile page where I found a map thumbnail on the right side.  I opens to this page http://portagecountyauditor.org/Map.aspx?Load=Stri...

If they own a property similar to what you would try to sell... you would google the name for a phone number and find a manta page or some other entity profile site.  Manta had this one with a phone number. http://www.manta.com/c/mmyy8p9/breezy-point-limite...

That was the very first one I tried, doesn't work everytime and you'll probably go through a few that aren't interested.  Good luck!

Post: building a cash buyers list for vacant lots and acreage

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

Aside from networking, in person and on bp... What I've had success with... search the cad site in the county you're looking in for company extensions, Llc for example.  Find ones with multiple properties like what you think you'll be finding or have found, and send them a letter or even better... Google the company name for a phone number... Manta.com has them often.  This works better if you have a property for sale at the moment, or if you at least have a few really good leads to talk about.  It also helps if the cad site has a good ui and preferably an interactive gis.

Hope that helps!

Post: Vacant Land in Florida - Port Charlotte, Punta Gorda

Tim BishopPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Fort Worth, TX
  • Posts 187
  • Votes 113

Flat fee listings are common.  Are they going to take pictures of the property for you and put a sign at the road?  If not you might try a regular listing...  If they don't offer pictures or a sign and you still like the flat fee, you should have someone else handle it.

If the listing expires will they renew it for free?