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All Forum Posts by: Arthur Mayer

Arthur Mayer has started 8 posts and replied 66 times.

Post: Getting Started with Notes

Arthur MayerPosted
  • Contractor
  • Rancho Cucamonga, CA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Rick H.:

The best education I ever got was from the first note that I bought (a non-performing 2nd). It seems everything that could go wrong with that note, and then the market, hence the securing equity, went wrong. BK, foreclosure, eviction, etc. I was ignorant when I bought the note and emerged a stronger investor.

That was back in the 1980's and I still love paper!

I'm so happy that I got those lessens using only my money. I had to fix the problems, keep the first current, deals with a crappy foreclosure firm and overall be at the mercy of a BK judge who was pro-debtor. This would not have been the same experience had it been other people's money. I would had to get their agreement along many decisions and really slowed me down.

I suggest learning the craft and the business first and risk your own money before messing with others' dough.

Here's a good book to check out on Amazon: Performance Anxiety by Gordon Moss. Not a technical book but one to help understand certain aspects of the note investing game.

 Rick, I'd love to hear the full story on that note.  What strategies you employed on that note?

Post: How would you make money in this scenario for a non-performing 2nd

Arthur MayerPosted
  • Contractor
  • Rancho Cucamonga, CA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 11

So here is the scenario:

First Lien is $150,000

2nd Lien is $40,000

FMV: $80,000

Borrower is 120+ days late on both mortgages and is in Chapter 7 Bankruptcy.

Assuming the Property Taxes + Late mortgages there is about $20,000 in Arrears 

Borrower lives in New York

Seller will sell you the 2nd at $3,000.

What could you do or what would be possible and what steps could you take to make this deal work? 

Post: Getting Started with Notes

Arthur MayerPosted
  • Contractor
  • Rancho Cucamonga, CA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Phillip Cailey:
If I start a lemon aid stand and I don't know how to grow lemon trees or how plastic cups are made. Maybe I don't understand how sugar is grown, processed and how my water is purified and the exact locations it comes from, does that mean I'm not in the lemon aid stand business?

No, but do you need to learn how to paint lemonade on your stand and know what area to put the stand that has the most potential to sell lemonade.

Post: Getting Started with Notes

Arthur MayerPosted
  • Contractor
  • Rancho Cucamonga, CA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 11

Doesn't defeat the purpose of him getting a broker's license if he doesn't have a source yet where he can buy/sell notes, minus some education he will get from licensing laws in the note business?

Post: How to start investing in discount notes?

Arthur MayerPosted
  • Contractor
  • Rancho Cucamonga, CA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 11
Originally posted by @Nick B.:
@Dion DePaoli ,

Thank you for your post. Just to clarify, when I said "10 cents on a dollar" I meant 10% of the outstanding loan principal.

You call it "fairy tale" but this is where I got it from: http://www.pprnoteacademy.com/free-training/note-investing-101/find-deals/

They cite 0.055-0.125/UPB as the wholesale price of the defaulted mortgages.

I don't know how true or not true these numbers are but I thought that no one would put an outright misinformation on their website if they value their reputation.

If you know any negative info about this company, I would like to know it too. I may buy notes from them and so far I could only find positive reviews.

It would also help me tremendously if you posted stats on several notes that you own. We could then discuss them as real-world examples instead of reviewing some fictitious notes.

Thank you
Nick

Those are usually pool purchases and that is why Hedge Fund companies, for example buy these pools of notes at .10c on a dollar. As an investor buying notes on an individual level, there is no way you can get .10 cents on a dollar

Post: How to Get Money For Your First Deal

Arthur MayerPosted
  • Contractor
  • Rancho Cucamonga, CA
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 11

@Wendell Isn't it kind of a catch 22 having to show deals you've done to get money you need yet need the money to get your first deal?