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All Forum Posts by: Thomas Caridi

Thomas Caridi has started 2 posts and replied 28 times.

Quote from @Mohamed Sylla:

Hey Thomas — appreciate how thorough your post was. You're in a solid position with equity in your current place and direct access to a neighbor's property in a neighborhood you already know well. That's a rare combo.

If you’re thinking of living in the new property and renting yours, I think that’s a smart hedge, especially with your locked-in 2.99%. Mid-term rental demand in 19133 is growing, especially with traveling nurses and contractors, so that could help the numbers work if traditional rent doesn't.

Totally agree with your comps assessment too — 19133 vs. 19122 is a noticeable shift in value. If you make an offer in the 180s–190s, just framing it around renovation cost and your financing reality (vs. lowballing their family home) can keep the convo respectful and honest.

If you ever want to compare recent off-market deals in the area or see what others are buying 2–3 blocks away, happy to connect. I'm Philly-based and work with a lot of buy-and-hold investors doing exactly this kind of play in Norris Square, West Kensington, and North Philly.

Whatever you do, you’re close — just try not to let the “perfect plan” keep you from making a good one happen!


 Mohamed, I really appreciate the thoughtful and encouraging response. Thank you! I'll definitely be in touch.

A contractor will be doing a walkthrough with me this week to give me a ballpark estimate. Will report back.

Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

Should cost you around 150k to do the conversion and thats gutting it to the studs 

Thanks for the input! That makes me feel better about going that route. Will re-run numbers and decide if I'm going to make an offer.
Quote from @Jacob Sherman:

definitely buy and convert to duplex to push the arv . 

I'd like to do that but the ballpark numbers aren't looking great. My guess is $200k-250k reno, $400-450k mortgage, total monthly payment around $3500/month. 2 br/1 bath rents in the area maxing out around $1500-$1800, so I'd be in the red after cap ex. I'd need a contractor to look at it and give me a more accurate ballpark though.

Thanks for the quick reply @Caleb Brown! We're leaning towards that, but maybe do a HomeStyle or 203K loan so the rehab cost in included and we won't completely drain our savings/investments.

Hi all, long time lurker here. Apologize in advance for the longwinded post : ) I bought my first primary residence in the Norris Square neighborhood in 2019 with the initial plan to turn it into a duplex because my side of the block is zoned RM-1, but due to lack of funds my partner and I decided to rehab it with a home equity loan and live in it and we've been here ever since. The neighborhood has seen a ton of growth, and I was able to cash out refi in 2021 to lock in a 2.99% rate and pull some cash out since we added value to the property. Since then I've been wanting to invest but keep getting cold feet. I've also been focusing more on my career to continue padding my savings for future investments.

Anyway to the point - my neighbor who has lived on this block for 50+ years wants to sell because his wife passed last year and it's a lot of house to take care of (18' wide, 1575 sq ft 3BR /2 bath, 2 story). One of his daughters is a realtor and hasn't listed it yet, but we've voiced our interest and looked at the house a few days ago. They had a lot of major things replaced in the last 2 years via a city program for senior citizens (roof, plumbing and sewer line, electrical panel but not a full rewire, windows, water heater) but the house needs a lot of cosmetic work and there's clearly water damage on the ceilings from previous roof leaks so likely some mold issues as well.

The daughter mentioned comps in the area selling for 220k-230k but I think that's pretty high given the condition and location (19133 vs 19122 which is closer to the park). There's one in 19122 similar size/condition listed for 189K, so I think around there or even lower makes sense. The tricky part is we get along great with them and don't want to offend them with a low offer. I just think they're seeing the house with rose colored glasses because it's been in their family for so long.

I'm estimating $120k-$160k in renovations for medium grade finishes and keep it a SFH, so I'm thinking I'd offer around 190k and with that mortgage it probably wouldn't cash flow as a rental, so we'd probably live there and rent ours out (potentially as a mid-term) since our mortgage is pretty low.

Another option is trying to work with a hard money lender, stay in our house, and either:

- Spend more on rehab to turn theirs into a duplex (2 br/1 bath each). The mortgage would probably be well over $3K/month so it still may not cash flow unless they were mid-term rentals

- Keep it a SFH, do lower-mid grade finishes so the rehab cost is lower and it cash flows at least some, betting on the neighborhood improving and interest rates eventually going down

Because I've yet to pull the trigger on my first investment property, I feel like I can't get out of analysis paralysis. Thanks in advance for any thoughts or advice!

Post: Buying An Occupied Multi-Family

Thomas CaridiPosted
  • Philadelphia
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3

Hi @Fatima Champagne, did you end up buying the property? I'm a new investor in Philly interested in purchasing a multi-family with existing tenants near Norris Square where I live so I'm curious how it all went.

Hey @Charles Prem what did you end up doing? I'm interested in doing a cash-out refi on my home in West Kensington at some point this year so I'm curious what your experience was like.

@Jae Hee Hwang My friend's brother is a contractor so I've been working with him. There are obvious pros and cons to this scenario though. The main pro is he's doing a 1600 sq ft renovation for $60k which isn't bad, but he has a full time job so he's only able to work on my house an evening or two during the week and weekends. It's also a bit more difficult to have those tough conversations when he makes mistakes or is taking too long to finish something.

Either way, it's been a great learning experience that'll help me make more informed decisions on the next one.