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All Forum Posts by: Taylor Hughs

Taylor Hughs has started 12 posts and replied 32 times.

Hey BP community, my name is Taylor and I am 18 years old. I am going to college next year at either Baylor, SMU, or A&M and am currently a senior in high school.  I have been intensely researching real estate for the past month, I have read 3 books, listened to over 100 hours of podcasts and videos, and have come to the conclusion to further extend my learning I should find a real estate investor/firm to intern for.

I have been looking for the past couple days for a real estate meet up near me and was hoping I could have some experienced insight on which to attend and where to go. If anyone has any suggestions on meetups to attend and where I can sign up to meet other investors that could potentially offer an internship/shadowing please let me know. Thank you very much!

Hi! My name is Taylor, I’m 18 years old and am in the Dallas area, more specifically Frisco. I’m going to college next year at either Baylor, SMU, or A&M. I am striving to become financially free through RE investing. I have been absorbing information on real estate for about a month now, reading 3 books and listening to countless hours of podcasts/videos. I have decided that to further increase my knowledge on Real Estate I need to find someone to shadow and learn from.

A little bit about me:

I am a senior in high school in Frisco Texas with a 3.9 GPA and played on our #2 state ranked tennis team

I am extremely hard working and patient and I believe I am a great people person

I am willing to do whatever is asked of me whether that be scheduling, getting my hands dirty, it doesn't really matter I just would like to have someone that has walked the path I desire to take, to learn about this field. If anyone on here knows anyone, please let me know. Thank you so much!

Quote from @Vitaliy Volpov:

Hey Taylor!

First congratulations on taking your real estate education seriously and putting yourself out there by posting on the BP forums. It can be an intimidating thing to do when you are just starting out and asking foundational questions.

Second, please keep in mind that what I’m going to share is my opinion and others may disagree. But, my answers are based on my actual experience being a real estate investor for the last 12+ years.

I am 41 years old and currently own 160 units. The vast majority of these units I purchased using private financing with $0 out of pocket. 

To answer the first big question in your post — single family vs multi-family — I am firmly in the multi-family camp. I personally have had amazing success with properties which are between 2 and 12 units, which most people would call “small multi-family.”

There are many advantages that small multi-family properties have over single family properties in my opinion. But there are also some disadvantages. And I also think that the inventory in your market plays a large role in deciding what property type makes the most sense.

In my market, there is a large abundance of the small multi-family properties, especially the 2-4 unit properties. Additionally, in my market, a lot of these properties are located in areas where price-to-rent ratios are extremely favorable. For example, it is not unusual for me and my business partner to buy 4-unit buildings for about $250k and be able to rent them out for $4,000+/mo. 

By the same token, single family properties in the same areas, at best, might sell for $100k and rent for $1500/mo. Most of the time, you’re looking at prices in the $150k+ range to get that kind of rent.

Additionally, the economies of scale really do come into play when it comes to comparing single family vs. multifamily properties. Our 8-unit buildings have one roof, one foundation, and one structure to take care of. If I were to get 8 separate single family homes, I would 8 roofs, 8 foundations, and 8 structures. The cost to maintain them probably wouldn’t be exactly 8x as compared to the single 8-unit, but it sure as hell isn’t a 1-to-1 ratio either. 

Additionally, when comparing whether to build a single family portfolio or a comparable multi-family portfolio, you should also keep in mind the transactional costs involved. Each closing, whether multi-family or single family, is going to have some of the same costs: title insurance, attorney fees, inspection fees, appraisal fees, fees associated with financing, etc. To continue with the 8-unit example, you again end up spending many multiples of these costs to build a comparable portfolio of single family properties.

Another disadvantage of single family properties is that there is only one tenant per building and if they stop paying or if there is a vacancy, the entire cost of that property is on you and your wallet until you can fill that vacancy and get the rent coming in again. With a multi-family property, it is very unlikely that all of your units become vacant or non-paying at the same time. So, often times even if 1 or 2 of the units in the building are not generating any rent, the remaining rents are still enough to pay for all of your property’s expenses and you don’t have to come out of pocket to cover them. This obviously is not the case with single family properties.

With all of this said, single family properties do have some significant advantages over multifamily properties. One, they will likely appreciate more quickly than multifamily properties. Two, the tenants will likely stay longer and there will be less turnover, which mean some savings on turnover costs. Three, the tenants will be easier to manage because there won’t be any bickering or disputes between them and other tenants in the building which is common with multifamily properties. 

All things considered, I still believe that multifamily properties edge out single family properties. The only exception might be if you plan to and if your market supports short term rentals. In which case, the single family properties might rival and even exceed income potential of comparably priced multi-family properties. However, short term rentals are much less passive than long term rentals and are essentially a hospitality business, which is in and of itself required a whole additional layer of knowledge and expertise.

With regard to your question about private lenders, it’s important to draw a distinction in terminology between “private” and “hard money.” Hard money lenders are much more like banks and come with many restrictions, requirements, due diligence, fees, etc. Hard money loans will almost certainly not cover 100% of the property’s purchase price and will require a chunky amount down (eg 20-30%) from you. They will also often carry very expensive interest rates and have other fees tacked on. They often also require appraisals and additional hurtles. On the other hand, true private lenders are not professional lenders and hedge fund type lenders (which is what hard money lenders are), but instead are regular people in your circle and sphere of influence. These people are not necessarily in the business of lending money and loans from them can be negotiated in any number of ways. Most of the private lenders we deal with don’t require appraisals, never set foot on any of the properties they finance for us and, best of all, often finance 100% of the purchase price and renovations. These are entirely relationship-based and do take time and energy to cultivate but are very lucrative once you cultivate them. These people can be relatives, friends, coworkers, friends of friends, and business associates. The key is that they need to know, like, and trust you. There is a lot more I could say about private lenders and how to find them, but this reply is already extremely long, so I’ll just leave it at that. Happy to chat further if you want to reach out to me with a DM.

The last thing I would tell you is that, I started my real estate journey with a house hack of a 2-family property in 2011 using bank financing. Not only is there nothing wrong with taking this approach, but I actually think this is the best way to start and the way that 99% of new investors should start their investing journey.

You get to kill multiple birds with one stone by following the house hacking strategy. You get to live in a property you own for free or almost free, while learning the ropes of being a landlord and you get very very favorable financing, where you don’t have to worry about finding private lenders or getting into any complicated or exotic investment strategies on your first deal. You do need to have steady employment, decent credit, and not be drowning in debt. But, I don’t think that should be a very high bar for you especially if you are already studying and researching this at 18 years old and you don’t plan to buy anything until 2-3 years from now at the earliest. You can very comfortably and at your own pace set yourself up for a very stable start by strategically positioning yourself to be able to buy a property this way if you start preparing now.

I hope this was helpful! Let me know if you have any follow up questions or want to connect more. Good luck!

Vitaliy





 Vitality, this has been the best reply I have received on this platform yet. I now completely understand the differences, and while consuming real estate content for the past week on this topic, I have also been leaning towards multifamily and this further cements that. I also was considering moving up to Albany when I am out of college due to the market, and I want to live somewhere up North. I really really appreciate this insight and you taking the time to respond. I'm going to try to DM you can talk to you more about private money and starting off on the right foot if you have the time. Thank you so much!

Post: 18 years old, how should I start?

Taylor HughsPosted
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Quote from @JD Martin:

1. Start by picking a field of employment that you enjoy such that going to work is not a chore but something that interests you. You're 18. With any luck you're going to be on the planet another 80 years or so, and maybe more. That's too long to sit on the beach drinking appletinis, so you might as well find something that you enjoy. Making money doesn't have to be your life passion, it just needs to be something that's enjoyable to where you don't mind going to work, because if you want to be an investor you need something to invest. If you didn't start off rich, then you need to make money. Generally you do that by stealing it, selling drugs or doing something else illegal, or working. 

2. Now that you've picked a career you believe you like - and that's where just trying different courses in college comes in - see if you can make your housing costs correlate with your desire to invest in RE. If you're going to school away from home, see if you can find a small run down house that someone will co-sign with you, then get in there and clean up the place reasonably well, rent the bedrooms out to your college buddies to pay for the mortgage, and sleep on a pull-out in the dining room. In 3 years time you'll have paid down perhaps $10k or more on the principal while virtually eliminating your housing costs at college. 

3. Now you've got your degree (hopefully in something that pays well besides being enjoyable) - go maximize your earnings. Keep the old college place and rent it out to other people. If you're going back to your hometown, sleep in your parent's basement until you gather up the money for a new down payment on a duplex/triplex/quadplex, then go buy it, maybe with an FHA. Live in the crappiest, smallest unit there is and rent out the good stuff. Stay there for a couple of years, then move and repeat.

Now you have 4-8 rental units and you're in your early 20's. Work your *** off from there and by your early 30's you'll be bringing in more money than you know what to do with, and can decide if you want to sit around drinking appletinis on the beach or just move into a career that really ignites your passion but maybe doesn't pay as well. 

PS: Get a reality check on the 5 houses in your first year. You have no money and you're getting ready to go to school. Concentrate on getting one decent place while you're in school, going to school with little to no student loans, and trying to minimize your housing expenses. You're not going to have 5 units in one year and you're going to be lucky to have 5 units in 5 years. Right now all you have going for you is your back and your age. Leverage that with maximum skills that someone's willing to pay for and you'll be rich before you know it (if that's your goal). 


 Thank you so much this really means a lot. I really appreciate you taking the time to respond :)

Post: 18 years old, how should I start?

Taylor HughsPosted
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Quote from @Ryan Irwin:

Hey @Taylor Hughs love the ambition and focus!!  

First, it's awesome that you're already setting your sights on big things at your age.  The thing I would recommend is check all the boxes on your journey.  One thing you're going to need to build up is your network, experience (like you said) and reputation.  A few ways to do this is to intern or volunteer with other real estate investors, contractors or property managers.  Get into the weeds and get your hands dirty.  This experience will not only teach you a lot, but likely open up more doors for you (figuratively and literally).  

I would also recommend reading Pillars of Wealth by David Greene and Set for Life by Scott Trench if you haven't yet.  

Keep up the focus, hard work and consistency, lots of success coming your way.  


 Thank you so much Ryan, this advice really means a lot to me. I’m going to go to one of the next few RE meet ups in my area and talk to a lot of local investors to get an internship with one of them. 

I also was wondering what do you mean by checking the boxes on my journey? Could you please elaborate and let me know what you think I should do and how I can get money to afford my first home? I don’t want to wait until I’m 23 to buy my first house if possible, do you have any advice on that?


thank you so much for taking the time to read my message and respond it really means the world to have guidance. I can’t wait to follow this path. 

Post: 18 years old, how should I start?

Taylor HughsPosted
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Hey Bigger Pockets community, my name is Taylor and I’m 18 years old. I’m going to college next year at either Baylor, SMU, or A&M to get a finance degree (if you have a better degree suggestion please tell me). I am extremely hard working, a good people person, and am very driven. For the past month I’ve been reading real estate books (How to invest in RE, ABCs of RE, and the Millionaire RE investor), I’ve listened to countless hours of podcasts and YouTube videos, and am looking to start applying my knowledge in the next couple months. 

My plan right now was to continue learning and to try to get private money at 19, next year when I’m in college, begin to house hack and then scale as much as I can. Hopefully getting 5 homes in my first year and then going up exponentially from there until I can get into the commercial side of real estate. I was really banking on getting private money to purchase these homes and scale. I have however realized without a W-2 job or any experience I don’t think there’s anyway I can obtain private money.

I just watched a video and got a suggestion to begin wholesaling since I am too young and don’t have a W-2 job to obtain any private money or loans. 

I was hoping to get some advice on how to take my preparation to the next level. Should I wholesale, what should I do to get enough money to begin investing when I’m 19 / in college. I really want to prepare in the best way possible and not stay at a 9-5 very long if at all.  I want to begin my journey as early as I can and begin my path towards financial freedom in the field I am interested in.


if you suggest getting a job in RE or getting into a mentorship or company in RE please if you have any suggestions or ins let me know.  

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this, I really appreciate everything this community does. 

Hello Bigger Pockets community. My name is Taylor, I'm 18 and want to become a real estate investor in the next couple years. As of right now, I have read 3 books and have listened to countless hours of podcasts trying to soak up as much knowledge as I can. 

I cam across the podcast with Sam and he was talking about private money lenders and investing without having to use much or any of your own money. Naturally after listening to this I was pretty skeptical but came to the conclusion that it makes since. I was reading last night and thought:


Why should I spend 2-3 years growing my single family home portfolio when I can just buy multifamilies without having to pay the huge down payment myself, instead using the private lender money?


Am I misunderstanding the system of using private money, do I still need to fund down payments? This is probably a silly question but if anyone could explain to me what the purpose of scaling single family homes for 2-3 years before purchasing my first multi family that would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone can explain how much I should have saved to get started and a rough estimate of how many single families I should have before moving on to small apartment complexes etc.

If you have read this far I greatly appreciate it, thank you so much!

Hello! My name is Taylor, I'm 18 and am an aspiring real estate investor. I have read 2 books with many, many more to come, and have listened to countless Bigger Pockets podcasts preparing for the day I have the capital to purchase my first duplex (or other small multifamily) and begin house hacking. I was wondering, after I purchase this first house hack, where do I go from here?

I understand that real estate is not a get rich quick scheme, I'm in it for the long run. However, this does not mean that I want to buy and hold, waste time, etc. I want to work towards financial freedom every chance I can. I want to do as many deals as possible to work towards this goal, I want to grow my portfolio to be making 6 figures a month in my first 5 years. I understand again that his goal is astronomical but, I want to have something to work towards.

I plan on going to college (finance degree) , working as much as I can, to save up for this. I have a mentor at the college I am aspiring to go to that will be able to take me under her wing and hopefully give me a job in real estate while I save up and learn before I have the capital to take my first step towards financial independence. On that note, do you all suggest going into property management while I'm working for her or an agent etc.  ?

I was looking into BRRRRing after my first property but, was confused on how I would have the funds if I purchase a duplex. I feel as if I refinance, it won't provide me with the capital needed to continue going scaling. Please let me know, I understand I can force equity but some people are saying don't buy a huge renovation property for your first. I do belive I will be more prepared than the average beginning agent so was wondering what you all think about that to.

If you have read this far, thank you so much. I really appreciate all the support from this community. If there's anything else you think I should know or another direction please feel free to let me know. I really want to hear as many routes and perspectives as I can. Thank you again!

Quote from @Kerry Baird:

@Taylor Hughs, You have a scant blueprint, but the start of one.  Each of us will be different.

That said, this is what we did: 10 single family brick houses in a linear market in Texas. 5 medium sized houses in an expensive beach market in Florida. 1 super STR in an expensive beach market. The rents of the smaller houses support the big house.

We have steady income from the 10 SFRs and seasonal income plus appreciation (and great depreciation) from the STRs.

Your number 2 above: Buy as an owner occupant, and rent out rooms.  Do not refinance until you really have built up equity, probably 5 years.

Instead, during that first year you are going to paint and spruce the place up.  Harden things that might be damaged by tenants (no carpet in Dallas...you will replace it every 4 to 6 years, so do LVP).  Save up the down payment for the next duplex, but it as an owner occupied house, and turn the first into a pure rental.  Do that again, and again, leaving rented duplex units behind you. 

By year 6 you may have 5 duplex units.  Refinance unit 1 and buy one more (or two, if you have had a lot of appreciation) with this money.  Buy another with your savings.  Year 7, refinance the second house and buy one, but probably 2 more.  Year 8, buy one more with savings and refinance the 3rd house and buy two more. 

You are done by year 10. Buy the house you really want to live in, and you will already have your Porsche.  


Thank you so much for taking the time to respond Kerry, this insight is a very different route than what I was planning, a lot safer, less purchases. I'll definitely look into this strategy and have this as more of a safety. Im looking forward to the hustle so in that sense I want to house hack my first home and try to BRRRR and build my portfolio through hustle and deals per year. If anyone has advice on that, it would be much appreciated.


Again thank you so much, these replies from people that have walked the path already are truly inspiring and helpful. 

Quote from @Jake Baker:

@Taylor Hughs

I believe the best skills you can learn for real estate are sales and finance. Finance would be a great major with perhaps a sales type internship in real estate. In real estate, you have to be able to talk to network with people and underwrite deals. 


 Thanks Jake, I’ll definitely look into this. I was planning on going into finance due to the higher starting salary and the assist in real estate. Further more, I have RE connections at each of the schools I want to apply to so, I should be able to get a sales orientated job in Real Estate with a good mentor.