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All Forum Posts by: Sophia Wang

Sophia Wang has started 17 posts and replied 60 times.

Post: Best way to structure a deal in Self Directed IRA (Roth)

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Dmitriy Fomichenko:

@Sophia Wang,

It is very unlikely you will find a lender willing to do a construction loan for the IRA, none of the none-recourse lenders I know of (https://www.biggerpockets.com/...) would be willing to do it.

Bringing on a partner does not change the fact that your IRA is developing a property, which is usually looked at as an active business and therefore will trigger UBIT on IRA profits from such activity for the IRA. Retirement accounts were designed to invest passively. You may want to consider renting the property for couple years before selling it. Get a good CPA with experience in this area on board to help you navigate through your strategy. 

Thank you Dmitriy! 

 So, in the scenario of borrowing money from lender, UBIT and UDFI will be in play? My head is spinning now. 

Would getting a partner on board better in this scenario and to hold/rent the home for a few years be helpful in solving both Tax issues? 

Once a property is owned by an IRA, can we add unrelated party to the title?

Post: Best way to structure a deal in Self Directed IRA (Roth)

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3

Scenario: I own a land parcel in my self directed Roth IRA (let's say valued at $50k), and have a small amount of additional funds ($25k) in the Roth account. We plan to build a home and sell (construction budget $250k, home should sell around $400k). Since the funds in the account is not enough to cover the construction cost, we are looking at best option to structure the deal.

Thought process: If we get a none recourse loan to build the home and sell, this will trigger the UDFI tax. To avoid this, is it still possible to add a partner (none related) to the title that becomes the equity partner to the deal, and would this help in avoiding the UDFI tax? 

Any other suggestions? 

Post: What's the typical deal analysis for Subject To deals

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3

I have heard that transfer property into LLC will more likely to trigger the Due on Sale clause. What's your attorney's argument on that point?

Post: What's the typical deal analysis for Subject To deals

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Stuart Birdsong:

@Sophia Wang, What do you have to bring to the table to acquire the property? This might be a good staring point. If the wholesaler is asking 5k cash and your cash flow is 400/month, you COC is pretty darn good. Not to mention this loan does not register in your financials, so if you go to get lending on another property..... However if he is asking for 50k and now you have 50k tied up for minimal cash flow that might deter your interest. Just a thought!

Wholesaler is asking slightly more than 5k for the deal, so the COC return is not bad. But since the equity is pretty thin, I am more concerned what if bank calls the note, and I will have to sell the deal or get more expensive financing. Then the small equity will make the deal go south.

Post: What's the typical deal analysis for Subject To deals

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Sophia Wang  does 400 cash flow account for all costs including maintenance vacancy PM lease fee's  and are tax's and insurance impounded and accounted for in the mortgage?

I have bought a substantial amount of sub too's and I never played the cash flow game they needed to have at least 25 to 30% equity I could care less if they cash flowed.. I have seen to many go down with thinking they were going to make cash flow only to have those blow up in their face and the cost to sell is greater than the equity... and then default and the original seller is very upset. etc etc.

Now if its 400 a month after accounting for everything and you have a good 6 month to a year of payments in reserve plus another 10k in cash.. then its a pretty safe bet..  Always have to think about the what if.... tenant goes nuts and our stuck paying the payments while you try to evict... this is where many go south.. Bad deal for the seller generally or Risky might be a better term.

 Thanks Jay! the $400 spread counted in the tax and insurance, but didn't count in the maintenance, vacancy and PM lease fees and such. I guess the deal is a bit too thin then! 

But I don't see why someone with 25-30% equity will need to sell the property subject to. They can easily get cash for more than that, right? 

Post: Subject to

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Marvin McTaw:

Hey @Sophia Wang I think what @Steve Vaughan is saying is that there should 5 times as much equity in the house as what is technically owed. For example, if there was $10,000 in back payments (i.e. in arrears) then there should be at least $50,000 in equity in the house. 

 back payments means what's behind in payments? what if the owner has been on time on payments? so zero equity is required? 

Post: What's the typical deal analysis for Subject To deals

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Marvin McTaw:

Hey @Sophia Wang its really a personal question on what your exit strategy is. If you're looking for cash flow properties, then you will look at the cash flow. If you're looking to basically flip the properties, equity will matter for you. For me personally, as long as it's cash flowing a minimum amount, is in decent shape (i.e. won't have to invest money or time in it) and I can mitigate certain risks, I'll do the deal. That being said, I'm in the midst of closing a deal where I'm buying it subject to, with minimal cash flow. I plan to list and sell it because I'm getting a good amount of equity with the purchase and will be able to sell retail (even though I'm taking on some interest rate risk because it's a variable rate mortgage).

 Thanks Marvin! What you said makes sense. I am having rather great cash flow on this deal, about $400 a month, which is in part due to a 3.875% fixed interest rate. But equity spread isn't that great. 

When you do a subject to deal, do you usually take it under land trust and transfer beneficiary interest to you or your company? What is the typical closing cost for such a deal? 

Post: Subject to

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Steve Vaughan:

Agree with @Marvin McTaw. Forgiveness is much better to ask for than permission with these things. Know there is risk of a DOS someday. Do your DD, buy right and make sure there is at least 5x equity vs arrears. That's a benchmark for me anyway. Good luck @Stephanie Garcia!

 What is 5x equity vs arrears? 

Post: What's the typical deal analysis for Subject To deals

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3

When doing a subject to deal, what does investor look for in terms of equity spread, or as long as the rental income to monthly payment spread is big enough? 

I have a subject to deal in the making, but the wholesaler is trying to sell it at close market price, at best 6k equity on a 150k home. Good thing is the home has a very low fixed rate 30 year mortgage, and about $400 spread between rent income and monthly payment. Decent neighborhood. 

Post: Business Structures for land development and new home construction

Sophia WangPosted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Richmond, VA
  • Posts 63
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Karen Margrave:

@Sophia Wang  As Bryan mentioned, you probably would be wise to consult with an attorney that can best advise you for your specific situation. 

We developed a 48 lot residential/multi family subdivision, where we handled the subdivision map, and once recorded, had all the excavation done, utilities, roads, curb gutter and sidewalk put in, and then buildout of the houses, marketing and sales of the houses. We did all of it under our LLC.

However; our family is licensed general contractors, electrical contractors, and real estate brokers, that had years of experience. For someone new, I'd say be cautious on how much you try to take on yourself. There's a lot that goes into development. 

Thank you Karen! I do realize it is a lot to take on. This project is small, and we are looking either keeping the existing zoning and subdivide into 3-5 lots, or rezone to higher density and subdivide to about 13-16 home sites. I take it as a learning experience, but do want to be on the cautious side, therefore the question whether we should hold the land and the do the development in a separate LLC. I am a licensed general contractor, which is the LLC we will be using to build homes if we choose to do so in the future. With everyone's input and consultation with our attorney, we have decided to setup a new LLC to hold the land and get the development done.

Now is there a book or blog where I can learn a lot on what to look out for during land development? I know a lot of things are local, but any general guideline or checklists to reference to? 

Thanks everyone!