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All Forum Posts by: Susan Wang

Susan Wang has started 2 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: Idiosyncrasies of different markets

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Charles Holder:

@Susan Wang

I believe this is the same as an option period.

Yes it is the same idea!  How much is the option fee, I just read it is usually $100-200? or is it also dependent on the market?

Post: Idiosyncrasies of different markets

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Mitch Messer:
Originally posted by @Susan Wang:
Originally posted by @Mitch Messer:

Hi @Susan Wang and welcome to BiggerPockets!

For those of us unfamiliar with the concept, can you please explain what a due diligence fee is?


Hi Mitch!

Sure thing, this concept was also new for me. It’s basically a fee that is negotiable that you place with your offer, instead of contingencies, and is non refundable if your offer is accepted. It allows you as a buyer to do an inspection, appraisal, etc. You can walk away from the deal before end of the due diligence period regardless of the reason, but you will lose the money.   If you go ahead with the offer, the fee is applied as credit towards purchase of the home.  In other markets you can lock up an offer and then during inspection you can walk away using a contingency without losing any money. A higher due diligence fee can make your offer more attractive, but obviously this is risky and also takes away some of your power during inspection for negotiation (the seller knows you have more to lose and may be less willing to negotiate).  

Wow. Got it, thanks!

I think the due diligence fee falls squarely in the category of "stuff buyers do in a HOT market when they desperately want a deal and simply don't know any better!"

There's absolutely no way I would pay a significant fee that was not contingent on performance of my due diligence.

What would stop an unscrupulous seller with a property having a known major defect from dangling that stinker out in the market, attracting some unsuspecting and hapless would-be buyer, and then collecting easy, non-refundable money from them?

Exactly! I think in a less hot market, if you are able to keep the DD fee pretty low, I guess it could be nice to be able to walk away for any reason, and technically the seller has to reveal any issues found during previous inspections for future buyers. It’s definitely something to be aware of, and I would only feel comfortable putting a DD fee if I was pretty sure there would be no issues with the property (aka my agent has walked the property before or has other knowledge about the property). Luckily my agent is super on top of it and has a lot of information so that I still feel like I can make an informed decision about whether a property is worth making an offer on or not. I would love to know if there are things like this to know about other markets too. For example, just learned how high property taxes are for out of state investors to South Carolina (extra 6% in addition to what residents pay). 

Post: Idiosyncrasies of different markets

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Mitch Messer:

Hi @Susan Wang and welcome to BiggerPockets!

For those of us unfamiliar with the concept, can you please explain what a due diligence fee is?


Hi Mitch!

Sure thing, this concept was also new for me. It’s basically a fee that is negotiable that you place with your offer, instead of contingencies, and is non refundable if your offer is accepted. It allows you as a buyer to do an inspection, appraisal, etc. You can walk away from the deal before end of the due diligence period regardless of the reason, but you will lose the money.   If you go ahead with the offer, the fee is applied as credit towards purchase of the home.  In other markets you can lock up an offer and then during inspection you can walk away using a contingency without losing any money. A higher due diligence fee can make your offer more attractive, but obviously this is risky and also takes away some of your power during inspection for negotiation (the seller knows you have more to lose and may be less willing to negotiate).  

Post: Idiosyncrasies of different markets

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10

Good morning! I am a new investor and after picking the Charlotte market and learning about the due diligence fee, I was wondering what other nuances there are for other markets that are specific to that market and not real estate in general? For example, the LLC transfer fee for Florida. Things to keep in mind when evaluating other markets to invest in. Thanks!

Post: Need to show 250K loss. Strategies?

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:
Originally posted by @Susan Wang:
Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

@Jay Pillalamarri

What about with STR? Can't he shelter his income even without REPs status as long as he shows enough participation hours?

Yes, he might be able to do that. It's not that easy, however, to satisfy the material participation requirement with STRs for someone with a full-time W2 job. Possible in the right situations.

Important to notice, however, that STRs do not normally generate substantial losses (if any) except for the first year when you can take major depreciation with furnishings and cost seg.

Agree regarding the first year tax benefits. One strategy is to get a STR towards the end of the year to make sure your material participation hours (100) are greater than any other person (ie. cleaners). It is easier to control hours when you have limited months, get your tax benefits, and then can switch over to PM next year since the losses are mainly for first year. Rinse and repeat. This seems like the easiest way for a full-time W2 employee to enjoy some of the extra tax benefits to shelter active income without getting REPs.

Post: Need to show 250K loss. Strategies?

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Michael Plaks:

@Jay Pillalamarri

First, I cannot support your goal of paying zero taxes. I much prefer the primary goal being either generating cash flow or, better yet, building long-term equity in assets. Whatever lets me accomplish this is what I would pursue. Reducing taxes is secondary. Dropping them to zero is a poor goal either way, because at some point the effort is no longer worth the small savings. 

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to pay zero taxes if it's possible. I just would not be choosing my business strategies based on this goal. Once I chose a strategy, then I'll do my best to reduce taxes. If I manage to drop them to zero - great. If not - still no problem if I'm accomplishing my cash flow or asset accumulation goals.

Next. If you're single and have a full-time $250k job, you cannot offset this W2 income with rental losses. Not allowed by law. No matter how much real estate you buy and what strategies you apply. If you make $250k from your business, such as being a consultant - same problem basically, with some twists.

To be able to offset your $250k income with rentals, either your $250k needs to be self-employment income from real estate, like being a realtor, or you need to be married to someone who is involved in real estate basically full-time and qualify as a Real Estate Professional.

In short, you're asking the wrong questions and getting suggestions that are probably not helpful.

What about with STR? Can't he shelter his income even without REPs status as long as he shows enough participation hours?

Post: Any recommendations for Charlotte Contractors?

Susan WangPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 10

Does anyone have any recommendations for contractors?  New investor interested in B/C MFH in Charlotte and submarkets.  Thank you!