Hey guys, I'm still around. Be happy to answer your questions about private money.
LOL to this ...
"I recall she was proficient, well spoken, could take a beating well in the forums and was polite, I liked her. OTH, approaches were simplistic to reality with a twist of glamor and marketing."
I have taken a beating on this site (which is why I rarely contribute anymore) but I think I've found what I want on my headstone... "a twist of glamour and marketing." :-)
I've raised a little more than $26 million since 2004 and put together a few hedge funds so let me know how I can help.
Couple of things right off the bat.
1. There are 3 "buckets" of people who will fund your deals as private lenders: The people who know you, love you and trust you, people who are already investing in real estate and people who are already making private loans on real estate.
You'll have a different approach with all 3. I have found that with most high net worth individuals, it isn't about the rate of return. These people, like the sharks on Shark Tank, often invest in deals because they believe in the person.
2. There is a big difference between hard money lenders and private lenders. I have been both and I have borrowed from both. I got a 4% rate from my Uncle Bill but paid 15% to Ed, the local hard money lender. Ed was brokering capital that he raised from his own private lenders (as did I when I had my first hedge fund).
3. There are two types of private lenders: debt investors and equity investors. Debt investors are the traditional lenders who invest for a set return and don't participate in the cash flow or equity of the deal.
Equity investors invest for a % of the cash flow and/or equity and are not promised a set return.
4. I get asked a lot how much to pay private lenders. I think just arbitrarily offering a rate is a flawed way to go about it. First you should run the numbers on your deal to see what you can AFFORD to pay your lenders. Then I ask the prospect what they are currently earning on the money they're considering investing with me.
That will give you a better sense of what their expectation is and can potentially save you a lot of money. I've had deals where I could pay 9% and the person said they were currently earning 2% on the money. I offered to double it and we were both ecstatic.