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All Forum Posts by: Susan Authement

Susan Authement has started 9 posts and replied 19 times.

Quote from @Greg Scott:

I don't see a reason why I would ever put my personal residence in an LLC. I suppose if I was a wealthy, high-profile celebrity, then maybe. I don't plan on suing myself, so the risks a VERY low.

Before you lock anything in, it may not make sense to keep that property as a rental. Don't  forget, because you lived there, you can get the homeowners capital gain deduction. It may make more sense to sell and buy a different property.

Regarding that property, don't assume an LLC is the best path. There are plenty of threads on this forum regarding better insurance vs LLCs and the best path is not black and white.

Regarding the state, my attorney prefers I have an LLC in the state that I live or the state where the property resides. He did not like the idea of using a third state. If you put the AZ property in a MI LLC, you may need to also register your MI LLC in AZ as a foreign entity. Be sure you understand the annual filing procedures wherever you create an LLC.

Helllo.  Well I most likely think a bit differently than most. I had something truly horrific happen to me .  I believe i have a bit of post traumatic stress and also what i call in my head house insecurity, I fear becoming homeless again. I have the same reaction about food.  I fear other people taking things from me and not being able to stop it. That said when i was a kid, my family went to bbq at a friends home, it was a large neighbood get together. My 12 yr old sister was playing horseshoes with my father and 2 other adults. she was good at it. A drunken guest we didnt know stopped and stood right next to the pit. people told him to move. He did not. when my sister's shoe rolled twice after clanking off the post, it hit that mans ankle and broke it. He ended up  took the owner of the home, his construction company, my 12 yr old sister and my father along with my dad's self employed business to court . Even though it was his fault for standing there. He won. Lucky my family was ok but if i remember correctly the man who hosted the party had to pay that jerk thousands of dollars, so much my father said he had to go get a loan after or he would not have been able to pay his employees.  I admit i do not know alot of law, and same for LLC. But I thought that was type of protection in general that people get LLC for. I could be wrong since im still learning. 

This is very long. It goes over in detail what happened to me, what caused it. How i came to buy my first home and why desperation caused me to think out of the box for a solution to repair my life and the steps i did to date with results. My options for fixing this were extremely limited, almost non existant. Many people in my position become homeless and lose everything never able to recover. The horrific things that happened to me forced me think of alternate ways to get into a home. Once there a plan developed . It is not a pretty story. It is not a happy story although it does get much better. It is still ongoing as I write this. I asked a question on forum about LLC and some were saying it wasnt needed and didnt protect as much i would think. I felt i had to tell my story to explain why i want even poor examples of extra protection and why i over always go overboard on Insurance, way more coverage than needed and hardly ever used . (although i did have a house fire years ago, so never let coverage slip people, you never know when it could happen to you).

My story begins many years ago , I was a veteran by then, happily married to another soldier. I had a child, a wonderful daughter. It was a few years later when i found out that i had cancer.  I had got cancer. I fought it, survived then 2 yrs later found out i had it again in anther area. I beat it again and survived.

This is where things out of my control set me up for the disaster that was to come. The side effects from operations and radiation treatments left me unable to work. Social security told me I was short 90 days of work credits to draw my benefits and denied me. I went back 4 times and they said no No 4 times. They said to wear a diaper and get a job. For 27 yrs i was a stay at home Mom and house wife with no income for the next 23 yrs. 

Then when everything with my health was finally normal, my daughter graduated high school and went on to graduate college with top honors.  My spouse had survived back to back deployments post 911 and beyond. He finally retired and things were great. I thought they couldn't get much better.  

That was the moment my spouse of 30 yrs retired from the military and decided to divorce me with no warning. The year before informing me of this divorce he had begun to secretly take out several loans on our joint banking accounts and against 2 of the 3 paid off vehicles then didnt pay them. He declared bankruptcy for all our credit card accounts but  only for himself and specified i was not to be included in that process or notified. 

Then he never came home one day, called me the next day on phone from another state  to tell me he was divorcing me. He had drained our joint bank accounts, changed his pension deposits to a new bank account, abandoned me and adult daughter. He did not even say good by to child. Our farm animals were left with no food in the dead of winter. I could not afford a lawyer let alone a good one or pay for a bankruptcy.I had no food in the house. 

I was awarded half of his pension for life and the same dollar amount in alimony for a decade by the court. I started to feel like it might be ok.  He makes sure to pay each month but mails them late , spills something on envelope so its returned to him, once he just put my first name only with no address and the zip code. I always got the payment but often late. He refuses to do auto payment to me with digital banking.  I have never had the money to hire a attorny until hopefully this week. 

Until this month i have had hundreds dollars in late fees and over drafts each month. I cant take him to court because neither of us live where the divoce was occured anymore. Local courts here wont let me move my paperwork here and im too broke to travel anywhere. . I got evicted 5 times in first year. Those evictions are how i ended up in Arizona.  When i applied for my first apartment in 30 yrs i found out my credit score had plummeted from a nice score of 720 to the lower 400's even though i had never missed a payment on anything in my life. No one would rent to me. I was now sleeping in my vehicle in a place id never been . I was homeless.

My Plan : A home

 I had to come up with a plan to get into a home and get my life back .This was/is Phase 1 of my plan. 

I decided to place ads requesting to enter a rent to own agreement with someone willing to accept the down payment over the 4 yr lease in installments made with the monthly rent. I would then request rent be due at the end of month to prevent late fees and evictions.   I found a person who had all ready been transferred to a new location with his job and had been unable to sell their home. He was so desperate after paying a mortgage and expensive rents. He agreed to selll to me for 88K, rent to own for 4 yrs with 10% down paid in 200 dollar installments and owner financing. I had a house. I thought things were looking up . Its at this time my adult daughter passed away. For six months i barely functioned as a person. It so easily could have all slipped away with my dwindling interest in life around me.  After six months i pulled my self out of bed. I had not missed any payments or made late ones. I started by googling installing tile floors. I practiced on plywood. then did the spare bedroom. Then i painted the whole house and refinished the kitchen cupboards. I did many other projects and slowly came back to life. 

For four years i had quietly fixed up the home and did improvements . I made my rent and down payment installment on time every month for 4 yrs. When it came time to to buy and close on the home the management company had compiled 4 yrs of payment history that was reported to credit bureaus and had all ready reported the prepaid 10k down to the seller too. My credit score had raised from mid to lower 400's to 650 and i got the loan i needed from a real bank and mortgage company at 4% instead of from the seller.

I now owned my home first home all by myself at 56 yrs old. 

Phase 2.: build equity. Remove it. Buy 2nd house with cash. Pay for both with one renter.  

My work in the home over those 4 yrs as the renter had raised the value of the home in addition to the 4 yrs of appreciation the house had naturally. I bought a home for 88K that at closing had risen in value to 130K. 2 yrs later the AVM had it at 170K.  The first 6 months it rose to value above 160K and kept rising. I lived in the home for the 12 months required when its your primary residence. I continued to do projects each month during this time. Trying to raise the equity in my home.   I waited a few months more then last month I applied for a Heloc expecting to get 20 to 30K and have to jump through hoops.  I found out the home appraised for 220K and the big 3 Credit score groups had my credit at 730, 732 and 743 . I recieved a 71K Heloc this week.  I all ready have a approved renter waiting to move in with a 3 yr lease and a 2nd person who keeps calling to see if the "other guy" changed their mind.  The property is managed by a professional office and the rent is ach payments direct The rent amount im getting is 3 times what i pay for the mortgage. 

Phase 3 !! I reached a major milestone this past week. I have started the 3rd phase. With the HELOC i am purchasing a home in MIchigan and doing it all over again.But the process will be very differnt this time. I will be living in a home with no payment due. someone else is paying for this home and the original house every time they pay rent. I will have so few bills it wont matter if a check is late. As long as it arrives it wont affect me. I have no car payments, i will have no mortgage payment when the renter moves in and i have not ate in a sit down restaraunt for 7 yrs, saving money where i can. Its finally paying off. It felt so bad while doing but was worth it. This home i m buying in michigan , it will be the 2nd home in my "Portfolio" of owning and maintaining 5 rental properties.

I will be changing  primary to this house I buy in MI.  I am paying both the 1st mortgage and Heloc payments using the rent money, then i am using my own money i recieve add 3 full loan/mortgage payments that go directly to principal and interest on the Heloc freeing up a huge chunk of it back up to buy house number 3. I move into house 3 after the 12 months. Now i send all funds to heloc to pay it off . Then i live in the home that has the lowest rent coming in .  I continue to pay large amounts to principal from my person funds each month and also all the rental units .. according to my calulator i used this will pay off the first mortgage very quickly, twice as fast as the Heloc because the interest rate is very low.   This will pay it all back in 5-8 yrs if i understand how the early payoff works. still years but not decades. If it is under the 5 yr mark i can always withdraw heloc again to get more rentals but i dont plan on it. 

That begins the final stage.  I plan to continue to use the original home here in Az as needed. I could sell it or keep renting it. I like the idea of to live off and maintain the rentals for as long as i enjoy it. I can sell them off anytime i wish. Just don't renew the lease, sell it when i dont enjoy what im doing anymore.. 

So that was my whole plan.feel free to comment on it. Please keep in mind i know most ppl use the Heloc as a down payment then get a mortgage. I am very house insecure after what happened to me. I love the idea of each property i buy being paid in full the moment im handed keys. Debt hanging over me makes me have to take xanax or drink tooty fruity drinks all day. Hard to be working hard doing that. So what do you think after reading that mini novel ? should i put them in a LLC while im doing this? If i do i believe MI and Az are almost the same fees and costs to start. Should i put them all in one or keep the AZ home in Az LLC and the Mi ones in a MI LLC ?

I hope someone else can find inspiration by my story or if you are in similar situation maybe you can take part of what i did and run with it like a pair of scissors in your hand cutting through the mess thats blocking you. 

Question : I have 2 homes ,.I have my orginal primary res. here in AZ ( im going to rent it out) and the new 2nd home i just purchased from a HELOC (that im going to make /change to my primary residence). I don't know if i should put both homes in their own seperate LLC's located in their own states (AZ and MI) or if i should put them both into a single LLC. The AZ home will be a full time rental and michigan my private home. If i do put them both into a single one, I have no idea which state to choose. I also don't know if i need to decide now before i move.

On a related subject : (A little bit of good news in a crap world) :  I have a giant, a truly huge, thank you to you guys :  Thank you so much to the many people who took the time to give good free advice to a : A Veteran, a stay at home mom (who had not worked or had income in 27 yrs)   I really do thank any of you who gave me advice 4 yrs ago. I took your advice and blended it with what i wanted and thought.  It was a raging success. 

Here is what happened after i spoke to everyone here : It took me 4 yrs but last year finally i closed on my primary residence here in AZ.. I did a Rent to own offer spread out over 4 yrs 10k down payment in the form of 200 dollar monthly installments in that 4 yr period, paid alongside the monthly rent. The day i closed i noticed i had a crazy amount of built up equity in my new home. (I got it in the contract for 92K, 4 yrs rent to own later when closed i was suprised when i checked to find the value at 130K.) Ive lived in the home for the mandatory 1 year to claim primary res status. I checked the value last month online (AVM) and it was 170K. Appraisal for the Heloc came in over that at 220K last month. I decided to use the equity and I got a HELOC last month that I used to buy my new primary residence in MI where i grew up and my elderly parents still live. I have it budgeted for early payoff in 5 yrs or sooner. I will be leaving AZ end of next month. The AZ house will strictly be a rental property. I will use it to get another HELOC , pay it off in 5 yrs, then rinse repeat eventually part of funding my retirement income since i am 57 yrs old and had lost most financial security when my spouse divoced me. I do plan on getting one more home in MI to be a rental (1 primary and 1 rental in MI LLC), I will use them the same way i did this AZ home. Starting next month when my renter moves in i will have only utilities and taxes as overhead at my new home in michigan. I was able to set and get the rent high enough at the AZ home to cover both the orginal mortgage and the equity loan. Since i paid cash for new michigan home i can use it to finance the future MI rental home and pay it right back off again in 2-5 yrs if i need to, Im going to try to not do that.

I had come up with this plan all on my own but had no real idea of how to execute it and i had ZERO practical experience. I think I had a 50 50 chance of failure so i looked for help and advice. I found this website and the information i needed to do it safely. Thank you guys. Looking forward to your LLC suggestions and also any info on what a LLC can do for someone who is doing what i just described above . Thank you again, S. A

Post: VA Appraiser so so bad

Susan AuthementPosted
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Im purchasing this home with a VA home loan. The VA appraiser came out this month. She arrived with her mother in tow, and her mother did not stay in the vehicle, her mother assisted her perform her duties. Her mother wacked herself in the head on a open window on the exterior of my home and injured herself and was interacting with me and several times told her daughter what to do next etc.. She took several weeks to turn in the appraisal and when she did the house came in very very low. 11 yrs ago the home sold for 107K and she valued my home today at 119K. Her comps used homes with fewer bathrooms and fewer bedrooms.

Online estimates for the value of my home are :



Your Home (zillow.com)



2920 E Loma Alto Dr, Douglas, AZ 85607 | Redfin



2920 E Loma Alta Dr, Douglas, AZ 85607 - Movoto.com

What should i do ? What can i do ? I wanted to take a home equity loan on this home to purchase rentals . I was counting on this homes value to start/fund my first real estate purchases. Thank you. 

Jake,

Thank you for your good advice. Much to consider.

Post: Hello from warm and sunny Arizona

Susan AuthementPosted
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@Jake Kain,

Yes, i would love some additional information on the Veteran sub group you mentioned and any other groups you feel might benefit me. Thank you so much for responding to me !

Hello Doug

Yes, i plan on pulling out the equity and using to purchase property in Michigan to be near my elderly parents.  I just have to be very careful and plan it well . A mistake moving forward would be a disaster. After i am situated in Michigan any mistakes or learning curves would be easier to handle. I admit i have 3 or 4 ways i can do this with the equity but I am not sure which way is best for me. Example i know home security is very important to me, having a place to live and not have to worry about losing that home is critical for me. I could simply pour all the equity into a primary res. When im settled i could pull the equity back out of that house and purchase a duplex or triplex with that money to provide cash flow, doing that would now mean i have a mortgage over my head if something goes wrong. Would it go wrong, probably not, but not a for sure thing. I could buy a triplex and move into a unit. That is stability but im not a big people person. I dont want to share a home long term with other families. Im happiest in a shack in the woods with no phone LOL. I also perfer to live outside of a small town in a rural area. Most multi families are located in city limits. Options just swirl around in my head like hurricane. I need to develop a plan and then make choices that fit that particular plan. Very hard to pick the best plan when all plans have pro and con aspects.

Hello, Im a newbie here and am confused a bit by your question. Could you explain a bit to me why a nicer property in a nicer area would not generate the same or potentially more income than the less desirable rental in a area that is not as "nice" ?  I understand it would have better long term returns but i dont understand why it would generate less now compared to the old property. Is the new property a rental unit for a single family and the other a multi family or something like that ? Will the lower cash flow harm you right now ? If yes not sure i would do it myself.

-" Guy's giving me plenty of red flags... but whatever, I'm a nice guy, right?"

I find that says it all right there. Have you ever heard the saying "Nice guys finish last..." ?  Don"t ignore your gut feelings, they are usually right and trying to tell you something. The person who replied about Kiltz paint products is correct. It works miracles. Used it myself before. I also like a inexpensive cleaner/degreaser called "Mean Green" works on most surfaces like trim, doors,kitchens, bathrooms and appliances inside and out etc (It won't remove hard water deposits though). I dont know the legalities of this but im considering writing leases for my rentals so the first 90 days will be a "month to month" lease in which either party can cancel the lease without severe penalties if it isn't a good match. After that 90 days the lease would become long term automatically or they would be offered a yearly lease. That way if they are pigs or refuse to not smoke or obey pet rules it might be easier to get them out quickly, hopefully they also would not be able to stiff me for more than one months worth of rent if they were scamming by couch surfing and not paying rent etc... Like i said though im not a lawyer so im not sure if that is legal, just something i was going to look into for myself. I am also most likely going to use a management company to help me with the "land lording" things. I want to put as many helpful knowledge bearing people between myself and a problem tennant as i can. To me the 10 percent of the rent amount  fee seems reasonable and well worth it .

Post: First Property: House hack or MFR?

Susan AuthementPosted
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Yes, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE !

Always check the area your buying for restrictions/zoning etc.  Couple of weeks ago i looked at multi family unit for sale in the area i wanted to move to that looked in photos like it was adult/elderly care facility with a 3 bd apartment home on the same lot. I thought that i could live in the home and rent the 10 available rooms in the multi family unit to college students, they could use the kitchen and living room area as common use areas. Turns out the previous owner angered the city council by getting a zoning change approval to open a multi family property by saying he was going to house elderly people and instead brought in parolees and drug addicts coming out of rehab into transient housing . The home was located in a residential neighborhood on the outskirts of the small town not in the city area.  I was told that they would refuse to grant any continuation of the zoning allowing "room rentals" and that it would be a nightmare trying to get them to grant me anything similar that allowed a person to rent a room instead of home or duplex. A bunch of GI's (I was one lol) sharing a home would fall under that type of rental unit, by the room with common areas. So be sure to carefully check the laws, regulations and even attitude about doing that in the community your looking to buy in. Good luck !