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All Forum Posts by: Sung Yu

Sung Yu has started 10 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: To hold or sell (4-plex) 1.5yr ownership

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Bill B.:

You’ll want to talk to your cpa. I would assume you’ll owe 75% of the taxes for the part of the property that isn’t considered your primary. You should also assume you’ll owe the depreciation recapture and lose the $30k plus in closing costs. I would also assume your’e going to be borrowing at close to double he interest rate, I don’t think you could talk me in to giving up a 30 year year sub 3% mortgage. That savings alone may pay as much as another rental. 

You can’t say you’re going to save yourself from the 5% chance of a market correction by selling if the plan is then to immediately buy a more expensive property at a higher interest rate. You have to become a renter instead of a buyer at your new duty station if that’s a reason to sell. 

How long will it take for the new property you buy to make up the $30-$50k in taxes and costs you experience? Ps. That has to be income in excess to what the current property would have made if you didn’t sell, not just making $30-50k. 

 @Bill B. Hey Bill thanks for the feedback. You're right, there's definitely some opportunity cost I'd have to do a better job rolling into what my ultimate selling cost would be. I'm not familiar with how depreciation recapture works and how to account for it so I'll need to do some hw.  

Post: To hold or sell (4-plex) 1.5yr ownership

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Quote from @Marshall Leipprandt:

@Sung Yu Hey Sung, I am just getting out of the military and have used a VA loan myself in 2020. If I were you, I would keep the property. Particularly if you plan to stay in the military and generate income in that regard, allow the cash-flow, principal pay-down, appreciation, and tax advantages of owning this 4-plex continue to work to your advantage.

Also, don't forget that the capital gains tax exclusion also applies for military if the property was your primary residence for 2 of the last 15 years (so you'd have to live there through October of 2022) >>https://www.militaryonesource.....

Your reasons to sell are all valid, however, you're now putting pressure on yourself to use your proceeds to find a good deal in this market. Freeing up the VA entitlement would also be nice but you can always refi out to a conventional when your LTV gets to 80%.

Ultimately, if you are planning to continue to stay in the military, growing your cash in the short-term seems unnecessary unless you find an incredible deal that you think tops your current 4-plex. Building wealth long-term and continuing to own this asset will serve you better especially as rents increase over time and you gain more equity.

@Marshall Leipprandt I appreciate the feedback! For the tax exclusion, I was pointing out that I will be exempt from paying long term capital gains since my reported W-2 for this year will be low enough (0% capital gains for single filer reporting below 40k). That's what attracted me (15k savings in tax), but you're right about the 2/5yr occupant rule. I'm just not sure how that applies to this fourplex because it's not entirely a primary residence. It's somewhat both primary/rental so I'll need to rely on the CPA for that...

All good points...I do plan on transitioning out so the cash reserve would help, but otherwise, it's a good property so it's been difficult to let it go. Refi option is not bad. If it's strictly considered an investment property, banks typically require 75% LTV, so it'll take a couple of years to build enough equity to allow for that (sitting at 79% LTV - 679k owed, current value 860k). My understanding is that getting the full VA loan entitlement reinstated is a one-time deal if refi to a conventional and I'm thinking if I had to choose between using that now VS saving the option for future rental properties, using it for the fourplex would be worth it. As far as other options, HELOC would be a good alternative as well with more equity built-in.

How have you used your VA loan previously and how do you plan on optimizing it for the long run?

Post: To hold or sell (4-plex) 1.5yr ownership

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

Hello BP family, I currently own a fourplex in Lacey, Washington and I am looking for advice on whether to hold or sell. Here's a breakdown that may help paint the picture, thanks in advance! 

Short term goals: Accumulate 200k in cash ASAP 

Long term goal: 15k cash flow 

Numbers:

  • -Bought in October 2020; VA loan; 2.75% (2.94% APR); $6.5k in closing cost
  • -Purchase Price: $685k; after funding fee total loan: $701k; currently outstanding loan: $679k
  • -Since then, increased total rent from $4,200 to $5,160
  • -Operating expense: $1,650 (using $200 for routine repairs/maintenance cost)
  • -NOI: $3,312 (using 4% for vacancy)
  • -Mortgage (P+I): $2,861; Total mortgage payment: $3,505
  • -Total monthly expenses: $4,967 (using 5% for cap ex…which is conservative as opposed to 10%)
  • -Monthly cash flow: $193
  • -Annual cash flow: $2,313

Reasons to hold: 

  • -It is a stable, generally stress-free property. 3 of 4 units have been great long term tenants
  • -Low interest rate at 2.75%
  • -It is in a reliable area that will steadily appreciate  
  • -I don’t necessarily need the capital right now. In another words, I don’t have a solid plan on how exactly I’m going to deploy the proceeds.
  • -I am comfortable with where this property lies between the appreciation vs cash flow scale…currently breaking even and starting to see a small cash flow.

Reasons to sell:       

  • -Take the gains and reinvest (~100k) 
  • -I can avoid paying capital gains on the proceeds entirely due to tax-free income (military deployment 2022) 
  • -It will free up all my VA loan entitlement allowing me to purchase a house hack at the next duty station
  • -Protection in case there is a market correction.
  • In my mind, the question comes down to whether building my immediate cash is more important than what the fourplex has to offer... Please let me know if there's anything else I should consider. 

Post: Camper Van builders

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Lauren Krainski:

@Sung Yu I haven't used them personally, but I've met one of the co-owners AND have been in one of the beautiful builds that he owns, so check out http://www.rydawell.com/

I'll check it out, thanks! 

Post: Camper Van builders

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

@Maurice D. I'm looking to build a Ford, but am willing to go with RAM depending on the inventory 

Post: Camper Van builders

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

Looking to connect with camper van builders in Washington State! If you know any FB forums, please share! 

Post: Refi out of VA Thread

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

@Zack Karp Your numbers are right, I just confirmed too. Also I don't think I'm quite there to refi since I need to be at 25% in equity or 75% LTV. Thanks!

Post: Refi out of VA Thread

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

Hello BP Community! 

The fourplex I purchased a year ago with the VA loan appreciated enough to put me above 20% in equity. My goal is to refi to conventional, take the hit on cash flow but in return free up my purchasing power again.

The issue I am running into is that the new mortgage upon refi exceeds the county limit ($538,250), making the conventional option unavailable. I thought the less desirable but a possible alternative would be to convert it to a jumbo loan, but that option also wouldn't work since the minimum refi loan amount for a 3-4 unit is $1.5 mil (information from mortgage lender but haven't verified).

The only option I can think is to refi to a conventional up to the county limit and find a second lender to cover the rest. Does anyone out there have experience with refinancing out of VA and can give advice? Thank you!

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

View report

*This link comes directly from our calculators, based on information input by the member who posted.

Post: Two months to find and close my first property

Sung YuPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Atlanta, GA
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

Kevin, appreciate your response and good question. Overall it makes most sense to wait and purchase where I am moving to, especially since I am leaning towards house hacking a multifamily over SFH rental for my first investment. On the other hand, I know/like the market of my current location so I was looking to take advantage of it if I'm able to pull it off under limited time.