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All Forum Posts by: Steve Puglisi

Steve Puglisi has started 11 posts and replied 25 times.

Quote from @Andrew Haney:

Steve

I've not use PMI but have used different PMs. 20% on the STR field is lower than most. From my PM I expect my houses to be operated relatively passively. I manage the utilities, but expect them to deal with bookings, maintenance, guests, routine inspections, pest control, landscaping, linens…. Items from 3rd parties they do a 10% markup on for their time. I feel it's well worth it if you've got multiple properties and scaling while maintaining a regular day job especially one that's beyond 50 hours a week. My properties are also out of state.

 Really appreciate this response @Andrew Haney!

Hello Bigger Pockets!  

I just purchased a vacation property that I will be offsetting the cost with some short term/weekly rentals. I have started working with PMI as a property manager but starting to find out there are a lot more "fees" than were initially described. Initially I was told 20%, plus 10% of repair calls but finding out there are a lot of additional tack ons, including $150 monthly management fee, $895 startup fee, and $150 monthly reserve. Of course no one works for free but has anyone had experience with them as a property manager? What else should I expect?

Quote from @Bryan Vukelich:

Hi Steve - congrats on your new investment. I recommend you follow your attorney's advice and hold it in an LLC. My recommendation is based on personal experience, and advice I have received from attorneys & accountants as well as other investors over the years.

And it is very easy to form an LLC so not making the process much more complicated.

Best of luck 

Thanks Bryan! Appreciate the color!

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Post: First STR ... Liability Question

Steve PuglisiPosted
  • Wethersfield, CT
  • Posts 25
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Megan Templeton:

Hi @Sarah Hylander,

I would strongly recommend using an LLC to hold the property. The LLC can be incorporated post closing for most properties - I would recommend checking with your lender on when the property can be moved to an LLC.

Thanks,

-Megan


 Hi @Megan Templeton,

Awesome bio by the way! Any reasons as to why you recommend the LLC hold the property? I'm buying a vacation home that I will use as an STR for a significant portion of the year and I will have significant equity in the deal. Any thoughts are appreciated!

Thanks,

Steve

Buying a beach vacation property that will be used as an STR for about 48 weeks out of the year, should I place this property in an LLC?

I will have significant equity in the property with only about 30% of the purchase price holding a mortgage note via family. My plan is to start with a property management company (PMI) and go from there.

Attorney is saying buy it via an LLC but I am concerned I may be over complicating things. Any thoughts?

I tried searching this topic in the forums as I'm sure its been asked but can't figure out how to isolate "STR & LLC".

Thanks!

Quote from @Villy Ellinger:

@Steve Puglisi I self-manage. If you can, you should consider it. As several others already said that is the best way to cashflow. However... I do understand that some people are too busy to self-manage and need to hire a manager. If you need to do that, I agree with those who said "beware of 10% STR managers". Unless you have a multimillion dollar property that rakes in $200K+ in gross annual rent, 10% provides very little to the mgmt company, so it's not worth their effort to try very hard OR what they do provide is a limited service with you still having to be very involve. One such example is Evolve (I'm not a fan!!!)

If you hire a manager, do your research, etc and pick a good one, they will select how to market your property and hopefully will be very successful at it.

If you decide to self-manage (again I strongly recommend!), here is my experience: I currently use VRBO, Airbnb and my own website for direct bookings. I use OwnerRez for my property management software and it does interphase with all sorts of platforms. There are other programs too. They all have API capabilities with most listing sites. I have tried Booking.com, TripAdviser, Flipkey and a few others. What I found out is that the 80/20 rule heavily applies. In other words, even if you list on 100 sites, most of your bookings will come from just a few sites. In your area those might be different from mine (I'm on the Panhandle of FL). The other sites basically just create confusion and "noise" and cannibalize bookings that you would have gotten anyway through your main sites. I don't find it helpful to waste my time tracking a bunch of listing sites. I didn't like Booking.com and they had awful customer service for property owners. (Personal opinion). TripAdvisor charged huge fees to the guests which artificially inflated the prices. I would get one or two bookings per year from there. I would have gotten those times booked anyway on VRBO or Airbnb.

Good luck!!! Hope it all works great for you! 

@Villy Ellinger, very helpful, thank you!  Really the agent is just handling the booking & leasing & cleaners for 10%;  everything else, payments & management is on my plate.  The agent will set up Saturday to Saturday weekly rentals and the place should rent for $2100 to $2600 a week.  Its a beach community and the agent is well connected in that area.  The house is about 45mins away from where I currently live.  I did notice VRBO fees are 5%-9%, but I like the idea of being in control of the bookings.  The benefit with the agent is she may have contacts that I can use for maintenance  although it was relatively easy for me to find cleaners in the area.

Does AirBNB or VRBO allow weekly rentals with set dates?  So If I can get my cleaning set up for Sundays, can I require Sunday to Sunday check ins?

Yes they are weekly rentals only. Probably rents for ~$2500 a week during the summer.

Confirming with the agent, but I'm pretty sure its 10% for listing and booking (signing rental agreement & payment).