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All Forum Posts by: Steven Skinner

Steven Skinner has started 7 posts and replied 42 times.

Post: Cartersville, Georgia Monthly Meetup

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

@Mitchell Johnson Just so you know, I never received a notification for your @me. You may want to send a friendly reminder via message to the individuals listed above, as I only happened across this post by chance. I should be able to make it tomorrow. Look forward to hearing from everyone. Thanks!

Post: Cartersville, Georgia Monthly Meetup

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

@Mitchell Johnson - Great meeting! It was awesome being able to utilize an at-home option during all this virus drama. Really great information everybody had to offer, and I look forward to connecting with you guys/gals again in the very near future. Talk soon!

Post: Cartersville, Georgia Monthly Meetup

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

Hey, guys. Just came across this post by chance around 6:20pm and have been trying to connect ever since. This is my first time using Zoom, but I've setup an account and followed the appropriate link but I'm receiving a "Please wait for the host to start this meeting" alert that continues to try and load. Hopefully I'm not the only one. Any ideas?

@Mitchell Johnson, @Devan Sprayberry

Post: The 70% ARV Rule - Do You Follow?

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

@Trevor Lybbert - I fully agree! If you're strongly familiar with what direction your market is posed in, you can be more specific with your numbers in this way.

@Spenser Harding - Uh oh, that's tough. I'm glad you're coming out on top, though. This is why I always have an inspection performed and an appraisal ordered during due diligence on the front side of the deal. Several of my colleagues feel it is a waste to do so, considering the comps speak for themselves on the ARV and we have the contractor bid for repairs; but I tend to disagree. There are several markets that I am extremely comfortable with, in which I do not order the appraisal - but I consider the inspection a 100% must, regardless of market. My question to people who don't is simply... why? Respective costs are substantially less than your potential downside if something were to unexpectedly go awry.

Post: The 70% ARV Rule - Do You Follow?

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

@Chadd Brandon

I have always stuck to this number when screening deals. It's an extremely fast and effective way of deciding whether a property is worth researching in greater depth. Realistically, everyone has a different desired profit (vs capital utilized) for there to be any generic or widespread rule-of-thumb. However, if there were to be one, this should be it. Now it's obviously critical to remember that the entire "rule" is not just the 70% but rather 70% of ARV (minus) repairs. For example, if you're looking at a house with a $200,000 ARV that needs $40,000 in repairs, your offer should be no higher than $100,000 ($200k x.7 = $140k - $40k = $100k). This leaves a $60,000 split that you would subtract your commissions, taxes, holding/closing costs, and other miscellaneous or unforeseen fees/expenses from. Ultimately, the rule allows for these costs to be incurred while still maintaining a healthy and worthwhile net profit.

By the way, I see you're here in Atlanta and offer private money services. I just came across an off-market deal I would like to talk with you about. I'll shoot you a PM.

Post: Valuing an Apartment Complex

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

Hey, guys. I realize I'm way behind on the response here, but I wanted to thank each of you for contributing. This deal never came to fruition because the owner's eldest daughter decided she wanted to maintain the rentals her father had acquired over many years, at which point the listing was terminated.

@Anthony Dooley - Great pointers! Thanks for piecing together an offer, as requested.

@Andrew Johnson - Excellent observation. However, I can in fact use the percentages with this kind of property because the information I plugged in was provided by the owner and collected over many years of extremely detailed recordings (he kept literally everything, it was insane). Ironically, the property's entire roof had been replaced less than 3-years ago; all HVAC systems were less than 5-years old, apart from one which was 8-years old, each having been serviced yearly like clockwork with documented proof; only appliances that I believe were included in-unit were microwaves (no surprise w/ rent this low), although the necessary hookups were readily available for tenants who wanted to bring in their own appliances; and I know at least one of the buildings had concrete floors. These units were adjacent to one another, not all under the same roof (yes, when I said the entire roof was replaced I was referring to each individual standalone structure, so all). As for the tenants, over half of the tenants were 8-10+ year occupants. Most of these folks were between 50-70 years of age, and had their own little gardening "happy space" that they would spend a lot of their time in, weather permitted. Quiet, respectable people leading simple lives on a set income and their rent payment on direct-deposit. You could call it a makeshift retirement home if you really wanted to. They did. When turnovers did occur, the landlord (typically, and yes I saw these) had a "waiting list" with names and numbers of individuals he had "pre-vetted" as he put it, who were waiting to fill spaces were they to become available. He's a well-respected and well-known man in town. It would be my job to fill those shoes and run things accordingly, while maintaining the same reputation as a nice place to live. Also, the $5,000 turnover expense you slipped in there wouldn't even remotely begin to apply to a property with rent this low, which you previously acknowledged. But nice try ;P

@Jeff Kehl - Appreciate the offer you conjured. Wasn't really trying to go 007 with the concealment of the purchase price. Seeing as it says an even $1,000 I'm pretty sure I just threw out a number within the ballpark. If anybody wanted to break it down, they're more than welcome to. I agree with you on the tax subject, and hadn't had an opportunity to dig any deeper at the time this post was created. Personally, I do not care what the tax assessor thinks from that perspective; I care what return I'm seeing, as should be the primary focus of any investor. If I'm being honest, I'm thinking the old man (over several decades) haggled the price down with the city officials, whom he'd known for a lifetime, to lower his taxes and up his cash flow. The property had already been walked by a GC and I had been supplied with a breakdown of what needed to be instantly remedied, as well as what was to be expected down the road. An inspector would have obviously been involved, as well, if the purchase had been pursued further than it was.

Again, thanks to everybody for chiming in. Always helps!

Post: Valuing an Apartment Complex

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

Hi everybody,

I wanted to provide the forums with some general information pertaining to an apartment complex + 1 house I'm considering purchasing. Each of you can do your own math and figure up what your offer would be for the following property (I'm still perfecting my ability to accurately assess larger multi-family properties, so it's fun to brainstorm). We'll use the following:

  • 13 apartments (small units w/ low rent) + 1 house
  • $45,000 annual rent ($3,750/mo)
    • $1,500 taxes ($125/mo)
    • $2,800 insurance ($233.33/mo)
    • 8.33% or 1-month vacancy ($312.50/mo)
    • 5% maintenance, 5% CapEx ($375/mo)
    • $1,000/mo mortgage
    • $375/mo water, sewer, garbage
    • $300/mo electric
    • $100/mo gas
  • Extra income from laundry ($5.00 wash/dry) we'll say $50

I'm not sure if the insurance is entirely accurate as I haven't obtained a quote yet, but I placed it at $200/door to reach a rough estimate; use different numbers for your own math if you disagree. These units are small, so potentially much cheaper. All units are currently occupied, am using 1-month as potential vacancy (has a history of filling much more quickly, very convenient location). The 10% allowed for maintenance/CapEx is plenty sufficient based on condition. Plans to alleviate utilities from landlord's list of bills as soon/smoothly as allowed, but should be factored in for now. I consider these all "better-safe-than-sorry" numbers. The property will be managed by landlord.

And yes, before anyone mentions it, I realize I haven't provided a CAP/GRM or anything of the sort as it would apply to the subject area. I also realize everyone has a different cash flow number they would like or expect to see. I'm not necessarily asking for direct advice on a purchase price, but rather, your opinion (based off what information you have at your disposal) of what you would offer; preferably your maximum offer, nothing including negotiation fluff. Let's have a bit of fun.

Thanks in advance for any contributions!

Post: Owner-Financing: Seller Carryback vs. Land Contract

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

@Jerry W. Thanks for the info. One thing you said that is contrary to what I've read/heard is that the buyer under a CFD is protected from potential future liens being placed before them. I would assume that with the owner having legal title, that if they were to file for bankruptcy, get sued, etc that the property would very much be up for grabs as it is an asset capable of being liquidated. If this were the case, wouldn't anyone facing bankruptcy just pass the ol' family residence over to cousin Cleatus via CFD and the property be protected therein? Interesting discussion. I'd like to learn more.

Post: Owner-Financing: Seller Carryback vs. Land Contract

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

@Account Closed Haha, I like that. Excellent mental approach. That's a good way of looking at, because just like you said, things can really start to get convoluted very quickly. Especially if they've never even so much as heard of 4/5 options you might present at any given time. Thanks for the insight. Duly noted!

And lol... "I'll do a land contract but not owner-financing." I think things would honestly get boring if people didn't say stuff like that. Certainly keeps it entertaining.

Post: Owner-Financing: Seller Carryback vs. Land Contract

Steven SkinnerPosted
  • Flipper/Rehabber
  • Rome, GA
  • Posts 45
  • Votes 24

Thanks, @Steve Vaughan. Yeah I've seen a lot that Seller Carryback is used interchangeably to describe both the seller offering up 100% of the purchase price, or the seller doing a 2nd Mortgage for, say, 20% - so there's room for confusion. What I was trying to insinuate it as would be the 100% financing, minus any down-payment. That's the one I was having a real problem with as it compares to a Land Contract. Just seems like the vastly superior option, minus the one minimal benefit I mentioned on behalf of the seller (potentially avoiding a legitimate foreclosure). Granted, it wouldn't really matter if you were talking about 100% Seller Carryback or 80/20 (75/15/10, whatever works). They both close as a regular sale. LCs just seem overly complicated and pointless, like an outcast hybrid between Seller Carryback and a Lease Option. Any benefit they have, like being able to write-off the interest you pay, isn't even remotely worth the risk of the seller (real owner) losing the property somehow or having it encumbered. You will lose ALL of what you've put in.

Also everyone, I said above "Lease Option (or the alternative Lease Option, Rent-to-Own)" but meant to say "Lease Option (or the alternative Lease Purchase, Rent-to-Own). Oops.