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All Forum Posts by: Steven M.

Steven M. has started 4 posts and replied 16 times.

Just wanted to give a little update on this.

My wife and I finally made it up to see the property a couple of weeks ago after the seller had to cancel due to being sick. Everything we looked at was as expected in overall good shape. We only got to go inside the ranch house and the 3 bed 2 bath mobile home as the others were occupied. I have since been keeping in contact without pushing her and making her feel pressured.

I spoke with the seller again today to try to get the ball rolling and she mentioned her daughter is a realtor
and she had her ask a friend that deals in larger MHP whom said the property is worth over $300,000 but stated that because of the size and lack of comps its hard to give an exact amount.

I asked her if $300,000 was what she was looking to get for the property and she said she was thinking more like $250,000 as she owns it out right and would rather see someone else benefit from it like her and her husband did.

A similar ranch home not even a 15 min walk is under contract for $280,000 currently. It has 1 less bedroom and no 2 car garage but 4 acers more land and obviously no MHP.

This seems like it could potentially be a great deal but Just wanted to get some feed back on this from you folks here…

Also, I know  fannie mae or freddie mac have lending on Manufactured Housing Communities. Does any one know if they would lend on something like this?


Quote from @Brad S.:

@Steven M.  This is a complicated situation, but @Roger D Jones gave you some great insight and direction for your specific case. He seems to have a very good idea of the mobile home space. As a 27yr appraiser I'll add just a little more general clarification of the valuation consideration/s you have. 

In appraisal, there are generally 3 approaches to value - sales comparison, income, & cost.
sales comparison approach is typically best and most reliable for residential real estate (4 units or less), income approach becomes more reliable for commercial properties (5+ or more residential units), and cost approach is better suited for newer builds, unique, and/or income producing properties. And many situations use a combination of the 3 approaches.

The single family house (sfr) is real estate, since it is (presumably) permanently attached to the land, etc. Assuming the MH's are not permanently attached on foundations, those are considered personal property, not real estate. But, they are income producing personal property because of the real estate and the rights that the real estate owner has.

So, as Roger said, you may be able to find relatively similar comparables (recent similar sales) to the Subject (sfr) and get an idea of that value. Then discounting that value by a certain amount or % probably makes sense, since a potential buyer may discount it due to the presence of the MHP (mobile home park). Local experienced realtors or experienced MHP owner/operators may have a better idea of what those discounts might be.

The MH values may be somewhat of a combination of cost and income. Cost would be the cost to replace those MH's minus depreciation (physical wear and tear). And there may be somewhat of a combination of site improvements included (sewer/septic, water service, etc, to the MH sites).

Then the income approach would be looking at the cap rates, as Roger mentioned. Refer back to Roger's post for the specifics. 

You have quite a bit going on with this and some of these following considerations may help:

* How much would the vacant land cost
* How much would the sfr cost to replace minus depreciation
* How much would the land with only the sfr be valued by the market
* How much might a typical buyer discount the sfr + land, for the presence of the MH's.
* What is the value of the "right" to have these income producing MH's on the land. 
* What is the typical cap rate (expected returns) on a MHP in the area
* What cap rate/returns are YOU wanting
* Obtain a copy of the past 2-3 years financials from the owner, to get an idea of actual income/expenses.
* Verify the "legal non-conforming" status of the MH's. From what you say is that they are not legal to be there based on today's zoning (non-conforming), but they are legal based on when they were installed (legal). Also double/triple verify the conditions in which they can or cannot be replaced - in case of fire, destruction, etc. In some municipalities, you can't rebuild a non-conforming improvement if more than 50% has been destroyed. 

All of this should go into your consideration of how much it is worth to the market and to you. And most importantly is what YOU want out of this deal! Valuation only makes sense with respect to what you are willing and able to do to get this deal. There's no easy answer to this valuation problem, but it sounds like an interesting opportunity. 

Oh, and as I think about it, this may be perfect for an owner carry situation. Maybe she wants the income as a monthly check as opposed to a windfall sale with potentially higher tax consequences, etc. From what you say, she doesn't want the hassle any more, so take that knowledge and see if there is a mutually beneficial way to structure this deal. 

Good luck!


 Hey Brad!

Thanks a ton for breaking down the valuation and considerations process a little more! 

I'm taking notes of both yours and Rogers advice on finding comparable sales for the SFR and considering cap rates for the mobile homes.

I did mention owner financing but other than the big sales tax hit I didn't know quite how to sell that idea to her. I'd definitely like to explore that avenue more though.

 Thanks again!

Quote from @Roger D Jones:
Quote from @Steven M.:

Thank you so much for all that information Roger!

With the CAP rate method are you saying I COULD expect to pay $484,200 for the MHP? Or are you saying if you were calculating it this way , you would always place a offer on the pad portion only bringing that price down to $281,250?

Also, I have all the info on the mobile homes Manufacturer, year, model numbers, beds, baths length, width as well as what was paid for each unit. I will try to find actual real-world values and maybe with the two methods I can find a middle ground?


 Steven-

What I gave you was as rough an estimate on a couple ball park figures as you can get. Total CAP rate on the POH income is one way, CAP on the pad return is another and then of course just buying the trailers and rolling on from there. There are dozens of due diligences that have to be looked at on getting to a real starting number. You know this but how you negotiate the deal is listening to your seller and seeing where you can take the price. How are utilities delivered and who pays for what? What is the condition of the home and trailers? Do they look good but need new roofs, have soft subfloors and ancient water heaters?

One of the things to remember in owning mobile home parks is you are not only building a business to draw profits from on a monthly basis but you are also building a business that you can sell for a profit down the road.  That house makes it a little more difficult to sell down the road.  Another reason to try to negotiate low with the seller.

Got it! 

With the information you provided and that of what was accumulated through google, it looks like there is no exact way to come up with a value. 

Originally, I was using the 1% rule to try to come up with a number. In this case, I am at around $550,000 for a value of MHP and Ranch Home. But I am unsure if the 1% rule is used in these situations.

She also stated she is going to have an appraiser she knows come look at the property to find out what it is worth which could be worrisome as I am sure they do not specialize in this type of property and could really throw a wrench into the works.

I know she didnt pay much for the trailers so this may be the best direction to go with finding the value. 

 All manufactured between 1988-1993

NO. 1 14'X72' 2 BED. 1 BATH $8,250. 

NO. 2 14'X75' 4 BED. 2 BATHS $10,000

NO. 3 14'X70' 3 BED. 1 BATH $10,000

NO. 4 14'X'80'  3 BED. 2 BATHS $3,000

NO. 5 not sure

Looks like I have a bit more time to research as she called and postponed my wife and I going there to look at the property this weekend due to she may have covid..

Thank you so much for all that information Roger!

With the CAP rate method are you saying I COULD expect to pay $484,200 for the MHP? Or are you saying if you were calculating it this way , you would always place a offer on the pad portion only bringing that price down to $281,250?

Also, I have all the info on the mobile homes Manufacturer, year, model numbers, beds, baths length, width as well as what was paid for each unit. I will try to find actual real-world values and maybe with the two methods I can find a middle ground?

A customer of mine mentioned she is selling off all of her properties as she is 80 and looking to enjoy the rest of her life task free. 

My wife and I are going  to look at one of those properties this week but don't know exactly how we should calculate the properties value as its unique to the area so there are no comps. My customer also has no idea what the value of said property is worth in todays market.

The property consists of approximately one acre of land located in Maine. It includes a 3-bedroom, 1-bathroom ranch house along with a private street hosting a small mobile home park with 5 units. From what I have been told, these Mobile homes are grandfathered in as they no longer allow these in this area. ( I have researched further and found that these mobile homes can all be replaced at anytime with ones of the same dimensions). 

I'm hoping for some guidance and any suggestions/ help is greatly appreciated.

The specifics of the property are as follows:
Land: 1 acre 

Income Generating Units: (built around 1995 all in good shape)

Ranch House: Rental income of $1,200/month

Mobile Home 1: Maintenance personnel reside here rent-free (not generating rental income)

Mobile Home 2: Rental income of $980/month

Mobile Home 3: Rental income of $1,000/month

Mobile Home 4: Rental income of $1,200/month

Mobile Home 5: Rental income of $1,200/month

Financial Information:

Estimated Annual Taxes: Approximately $2,500

Post: Due Diligence Checklist ?

Steven M.Posted
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This Friday my wife and I are going to be taking a trip to look at a property that consists of approximately one acre of land located in Maine. It includes a 3-bedroom, 1-bathroom ranch house along with a private street hosting a small mobile home park with 5 units of which are owned by the seller. 

As this is a all new to us I am trying to put together a Due Diligence Checklist to take with me on the trip. I'm hoping to get suggestions from some of experienced people here.

I welcome any tips and/or suggestions as well!