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All Forum Posts by: Steven Laub

Steven Laub has started 6 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Success Story: Flip From Kuwait/Qatar

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Being this far away the schedules definitely get more flexible. It is hard to stay on top of what is going on there when you can go over to the house an follow up. I am sure that would speed up the process.

Post: First flip complete. Now what???

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Hi David, I took you advise and wrote a success story.

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48-general-real-estate-investing/topics/111368-success-story-flip-from-kuwait-qatar

Post: Success Story: Flip From Kuwait/Qatar

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Hello I was asked to provide a bit of feed back on how my first flip form the middle east went.

I have been overseas since 2005 first with the US Air Force and now as a contractor. I have been in Germany, Qatar, and Kuwait) the first/last deal that I completed was almost all completed while being overseas.

I had the drive to accomplish the flip and that is what got me going. I connected with an old boss/friend from when I was a kid. He used to own a roofing company and then switched to being a realtor several years ago. So I lucked out he has the construction background and the licenses to help out on the buy and sell portion of the deal. I started to search all of the realestate sites that I could (zillow, Realtor, Trullia) looking for what looked like good deals based on comps around the area and (sqft vs. price) From their we found several possibilities. The first one we bid on we were screwed a bit by the listing agent who sold it to another investor in the area for a lesser price than what we bid (dont think the sellers were ever shown our bid), we later saw it on the market fixed and flipped.

During this time my mother was facing a difficult time paying for her home so she was going to let it forclose so we were going to purchase a home for her. We found a Short sale for an 1850 sqft house that had been half way remodeled and was selling for 139k. We got it for 130k. We did all of the paperwork through email and set up an investment loan through a bank in the US. This fell through at the last minute of course so I actually went to a bank in Qatar where I was living and took a loan out for 100k and it took about 2 days to finalize. I then wired the money to the escrow and just happened to be flying back to the states for a vacation where we signed the closing papers.

My mother moved in and lived there for a few months then a tree fell on the house that she was going to be letting forclose and insurance paid for all of the repairs on it and the bank came back and took 40k off the principal and reduced her payments by 40% so she moved back into her original house.

We then had this house that we purchased and had been remodeled sitting empty. We had probably put a bit too much of the high end furnishings and done some upgrades that were not necessary due to the fact that it did not start out as a flip. All in all it cost about 30k in materials and the labor for the upgrades (sheetrock, carpet, lights, bathroom, kitchen, windows, and appliances) and the person that we are working with did it for a very reasonable cost about 8k total due to the fact that he got a commission on the front end and also on the sale end.

Then we listed the house in August and it sat then sat some more. As I said before the house was not originally purchased for a flip so it was a little more high end than the area generally warrants we should have been looking for houses in with an ARV of 140-180 but we were sitting with a sales price of 250k which fell right in with the comps for a 4 bed 2 bath on .5 acre. We finally had an offer in October and then we started moving on the paperwork which was all through email until the final siging of the lease which needed to be notarized. This proved to be a challenge we had to find someone who would be willing to be the notary for us while we were overseas. We did do that and we shipped the signed documents off to be notarized but it was during the holiday rush so it took far too long for them to reach the notary. Just as the buyers were talking about pulling out we found a notary here in Kuwait and had is signed and sent fedex to the US $100 and it arrived on time but the recorder did not like that document so she declined it. We then had the other set of documents arrive in the US got signed and sent overnight only to find out that the recorder wanted another paper notarized as well. We were able to get that one notarized 7 states away and back in time and literally closed on the final day before the buyers were going to lose financing.

All in all the hardest part of the flip was getting this notary piece accomplished but now that we learned our lesson on that we should have no problems for the next deal that we find.

PS. when I started the flip I was living in Qatar and have since moved to Kuwait had a baby started a new job and stood up an entire new operation for work in a country that we have never done business for. No excusses guys!!!

I hope this success story helps people believe that if you really want to flip a house you will find a way and get it done.

Cheers from Kuwait,

Steve

Post: First flip complete. Now what???

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Thanks everyone. That was certainly helpful getting some insight into how others manage their money between flips. I am hoping that this next deal that we have a bid out for now will work out. J you were right red was the winner... 400k ;) After all of the responses about staying away from the markets I do believe that it is a good idea. BTW I really enjoyed the book...

Post: First flip complete. Now what???

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Those are great. I see the bull market and have invested a bit in a dozen companies but the ETF's would certainly be a safer bet. As for the primary home, we dont have one. I am currently in Kuwait working and have actually been overseas since 2005 (Germany, Qatar, Kuwait) and the housing has all been paid for over here. I was able to save up enough to buy the first flip all cash so everything now is complete profit. Looking to do all cash purchases to hopefully have an advantage over other candidates.

Post: First flip complete. Now what???

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

BTW I am in Kuwait working as a contractor so it was quite the challenge to get the notary and documents shipped. This has also limited my ability to try out direct mail and other sourcing ideas. I listen to the pod cast weekly and there are some great ideas out there.

Post: First flip complete. Now what???

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

I recently finalized my first flip. We purchased a home for 130k put about 30k into it and sold for 245k after all taxes and fees we ended up with 220k in the bank.

We are currently looking for the next deal but in the mean time what do most of you do with your money during the lull??? I have a good chunk of change and would like to keep growing it while I look for the next deal.

Post: New investor intro: Steve

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Thanks guys for the detailed replies. I think Josh is right on taking it slowly but at the same time its tough to walk away from these middle east salaries back to the real world haha. I havent set up a legal entity yet but If/when I do pack up and go for it that will be one of the first stops.

As of right now I am working with someone I worked for growing up. He owned a roofing company back then and now he is a real estate agent and is willing to do to pieces of the flip the rehab and the buy/sell. Of course pulling a commission on the property and a percentage for doing the rehab work. So far on this first flip it has worked out great. Hoping it continues.

Cory thanks for the links on the hard money and llc info.

Post: New investor intro: Steve

Steven LaubPosted
  • Investor
  • Paradise, CA
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 5

Hello everyone, I am new here on the BP site. I cant stop listening to the BP podcasts since I found them. I am currently working/living (more like surviving) in the Middle east. I have been here for about 4 years and think I am ready for a change. I am currently in the sales stage of my first long distance flip back in California. Should make a good profit. Thinking about finishing up the year here and heading back and flipping full time. Still trying to talk my self into the lack of security. One big question is how do you attain financing when you do not hold a "monthly paying" job and complete flips for a living? Leaving here I should have about 300k in liquid assets. Which would be enough to do about two houses at a time in my area but with bank financing I would be able to move that up to nearly 4.

The reason I am curious about bank financing is I would like to use a VA loan to finance my personal home so that I can keep enough cash to keep the flips going and month to month expenses.