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All Forum Posts by: Steven Kopstein

Steven Kopstein has started 8 posts and replied 93 times.

Post: Newbie to Real Estate Investing

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

Beware those TV shows - many of them are made up or enhanced versions of reality.  To truly be successful, turn OFF the TV and get your butt out there and into action mode.  :)  TV is fine for a bit of escaping reality but I wouldn't use anything I saw on "reality" shows to formulate my business.  They are selling advertising by attracting viewers through made up scenarios.  Purely for escapist entertainment in my humble (and I know one of the "stars" of MDL - NY) opinion.

Post: Why are real estate agent commissions so high in NYC?

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

@David Krulac - Nice post - as I mentioned above  - the 1% brokerage shops never survive here because the process is incredibly time consuming and complicated.  It takes a true professional with years of experience to successfully navigate a sale here.  

Even rentals often require that hefty board package I mentioned above.  Yes thats - 200-300 pages of financials, letters of reference, pictures of (or interview with) your dog, letters from your employer, bank and current landlord and $500-$2500 in BS fees that you never get back even if they deny you the apartment.  The process of renting here is more complex than buying elsewhere.  So, people tend to stay longer in their apartments - which means less inventory available. 

Ultimately, it is a case of supply and demand - so I always console people by telling them if NYC wasn't so great - there wouldn't be a 1% vacancy rate and buyers/tenants would have more sway over the process. They always agree. 

I wish I were exaggerating when I say that the owners/landlords don't care if you're unhappy because someone else is waiting in line behind you, however in most cases this is how it works here.

As if everything I wrote about last night weren't enough - note that we do NOT have an MLS or even a National Association of Realtors presence here (NAR exists here but is completely irrelevant). So, as an agent, we have not one accurate source of information to rely on, but more like three or four sometimes accurate sources that we must go to in order to find, share and show listings. Talk about a huge waste of time.

I've worked in other areas in the US and every time I hire a new agent in New York, I tell them how lucky they are to be starting here because it is truly the most difficult real estate market in the country to work in.  If they haven't had the experience of working in a "normal" marketplace, they don't know how insane it is here.  Of course, the flipside is nice commission checks, but you truly earn every dollar.

One census tract here in Manhattan has an AVERAGE income at over $188k/year.  So you can do the math.

Post: Why are real estate agent commissions so high in NYC?

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

Thanks @Charmaine M..  Sometimes it seems like only other New Yorker's can fully appreciate and understand why we live here.  The rest of the country thinks we are nuts - and at times, I agree :)  I think the biggest mis-perception for New Yorkers living here is that uptown and the boroughs are not NYC.  IMHO, they are actually more "real" NY because of the mom and pop bodegas tree-lined streets, funky restaurants and true long-term residents who add a sense of place to our neighborhoods.  While I love the energy of downtown, as I get older I appreciate the quieter areas outside the core.  In 15 minutes, I can be in Times Square.  Prices are about 1/3 to 1/2 what they are just 2 miles away.  The biggest misperception of people from away is that we all live in Midtown high rises for $5k/month and dash around in taxis to fancy restaurants.  The variety of lifestyles (in very close proximity) is what makes it most appealing to me - you can have it/see it ALL.  I like to think of a subway car as the world in a can.  You can see your younger self and your older self every day in the faces of strangers.  This gives one a sense of our place in the world - which is fleeting and beautiful all at the same time.

Post: Why are real estate agent commissions so high in NYC?

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

Hello from the trenches here... Commissions remain high here for 2 main reasons.  

1) The process is WAY more complicated here than anywhere I've ever worked in RE and I'm pretty sure more complicated than anywhere else in the US.  Ever seen a board package?  It's about 300 pages of intimate financial detail that must be combed over, reviewed for accuracy, typed, and cross-checked 5 times.  That's one of the services we broker's provide and it takes a huge amount of time and effort.  One slip up and the deal falls apart - and with the average sale price of over a million, people are not doing it themselves, nor should they be.  Also, you don't know if there's a problem with the "package" until you're 3-4 months down the road so it's really awful when that happens.  Never happened to me because I'm meticulous and careful.  

2) People here are all busy busy busy - so when they are selling (or buying) having someone help them sort it out is important - again - since it's such a complicated process (see #1).  Besides the board package, the building itself must be approved by the lender.  Sounds simple in theory, but in practice each building has its own quirks and no 2 are alike.  

You need the cooperation of the managing agent, who, like every other New Yorker, is really busy all the time and may or may not respond to lender's emails, phone calls or letters.  They frequently need to be harassed for basic information and assistance, yet the deal cannot happen without them... so you've got well -entrenched people/systems with no incentive whatsoever to get your deal through.  They're better off if the apartment doesn't sell, actually, as they have to change billing records, etc... just more work for them, with no benefit -other than absurd "application" and "processing" fees (often totaling more than $1,000) that the clerks pushing (or sitting on) the papers rarely see.

I've bought and sold in many other places, but trust us when we say, it's really different here.  One more example.  In most places, you don't need an attorney - there's usually just a closing or escrow agent and buyer/seller agents at the closing.  In NY - there are usually 6 - 8 attorneys or paid professionals involved AT THE CLOSING - Buyer's Attorney, Seller's Attorney, Lender for Buyer, Lender for Seller, Title Person, Attorney for the Coop/Condo Management.  This is not counting the real estate brokers - so add 2 more places at the table please.  

As brokers, we cannot and do not write contracts - only attorneys can.  So, there is usually a 10-15 day window between "accepted offer" and contract.  During this time, either party can walk away with NO PENALTY because there is no money exchanged.  So, more deals fall apart before contracts here.  Lots of work may have happened to get to this point - but no renumeration.  Not for the weak of heart.  

Low/fee FSBO type operations have all tried here and all failed miserably. I check all the time to see if I can pick up FSBO listings this way. A few weeks ago on a Sunday, there were 2, that's correct 2, open houses by owners for condos in Manhattan.  I am not making this up.

Just accessing apartments is more complicated as there are no lockboxes - every single showing must have a minimum of 4 people involved - buyer, seller, listing agent and buyer's agent  - we must all coordinate just to show an apartment.  Again - lots of work that most buyers don't want to deal with.  Sellers are pretty private (our apartments are a part of our very limited private personal space in a crowded city - so we protect our space) and they don't want a lot of people traipsing through.  They want a professional to handle it.

At the end of the day it's still a percentage of the sales price - so if a broker is getting a $100k commission check for example, the seller is getting $1.666 million.  The majority of commission checks are not that high - the higher end apartments skew the numbers.  I'm not sure what the average commission is across the city, but I'm sure it's way less.  There are plenty of $300k-$800k apartments selling outside of the prime areas that are still part of NYC.  So - most agents are seeing checks closer to the $10-$20k range - not bad but not $100k for every deal.  It's not like on TV.  Lots and lots of showings, some turn into sales, but most don't - longer waits for closings - broker takes a cut- anyone who has done this knows the drill.

For better or worse - NYC is odd.  As most NYers agree - it's one of (if not the) best places on earth (certainly in the US) because we have incredible diversity, openness, creativity, access, architecture, history, culture, opportunity, transportation etc..  We put up with small spaces, rude encounters (not all the time but it's bound to happen), higher prices for most things and lots of other negatives (noise and dirt come to mind) because it's an incredibly fun, exciting, interesting and stimulating place to be - and to live- if you can make it work.  It's not easy and not for everyone, but there's nothing like it - both in day-to-day living and in real estate.  

For me, it helps to have an escape hatch (a cabin in rural Vermont) - and the ability to hop on a non-stop flight to just about anywhere.  One needs to find balance through yoga, exercise or just quiet time, and the secret that NYers know is that we all take that time.  It's learning to say "no" to all the great things to do/see/eat here that takes some practice.  It's 1:40AM here - time to break that other myth - this is the city does, in fact, sleep.  But if I wanted a particular type of food or really anything (product/service/experience), I know I can go out right now and walk to the corner and get on a 24 hour train (about $115/month unlimited rides) to a special spot that is waiting to serve it up and will be full of interesting creatures large and small.  I'll find whatever I want.  The subway will be there to bring me home when I'm done.  That's kind of amazing.  

Good night.

Post: Commercial Financing...

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

@Nik S. Thanks for the thread and all the details.  Super helpful to a newbie like me and many others.  Much gratitude and good luck on future deals.  Enjoy the journey.  Those tenants are lucky to have someone like you as an owner.

Post: New from Grand Rapids, Michigan

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

@Alex Ortiz Welcome to the community. A good way to start is to buy a place for yourself to live in. Do you own or rent? If you rent, then look at buying something - start small. There are still low down payment loans around (FHA) that can help you. By buying a place for yourself, you'll get a much better understanding of how the system works in your area, which will help you immensely as an investor.

Post: New member from Massachusetts!

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

Welcome to the exciting world of real estate.  Keep your focus on quality overall.  Watch costs of course.  Be kind.

Post: My AirBNB Triumph

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

MG - Hi- I am able to rent it out about 60-70% of the time.  When I had the mortgage it was pretty much break-even. Now that the mortgage is paid off, it's a source of income.

ML - I manage the booking process, which is pretty easy given that it's all internet based.  I also deal with maintenance issues.  I have a close friend who handles cleaning and check-in/out etc.  One thing I've learned is that you need strong local person to deal with issues that WILL come up no matter what.  Also a reliable cleaning person.

ML-TX, see above.  Also, the house is busy year round because Vermont is a great location - close to 3 major metropolitan areas (NYC/BOS/YUL)  and offers year-round things of interest.  Winter is skiing of course and Fall is leaf peeping - so both of those times are solid for bookings.  Summer is great as well to get away from city heat.  Slower times are Nov (stick season - no snow or leaves to see) and April (Mud season - just a mess and still kind of cold). In May/June we get weddings (in nearby barns.graduations - lots of colleges within 45 minutes of the house.   I try to spend the summers up there myself - it's just really special with great local bakeries/farms/foods, total relaxation with waterfalls and mountains and art/music festivals.

Notes for all - You can easily check Airbnb to see what people are charging in any area and see their calendars to see how booked they are.  I adjust my rates and minimum nights stay required based on seasonal demand.  Also- it took me years to figure out a balance  - but you're best off keeping it neutral and using all white towels and sheets for ease of washing.  Some art but not too personal and not too many objects (cleaning again).  I've rented many Airbnb places around the world so that has helped my perspective on best practices.  I've seen A LOT of Ikea and that gets kind of generic so I avoidd it now except maybe for plates and glasses and silverware.  The furniture is cheap and breaks.

I have a locked "owners closet" so I can put things away for personal use that guests can't get to.  The numbers work especially well if you think of it as a vacation home for yourself as well, which I do,  It's like having a free 2nd home.  People WILL break things so don't leave anything around that you can't let go of/replace easily.  When they break things - just know it's part of the cost of doing business.  Big things should be covered by insurance (yours or Airbnbs)  - small things are part of normal business operations.

Post: Residential Broker from NYC

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

Thank you!

Post: My AirBNB Triumph

Steven KopsteinPosted
  • New York City, NY
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 39

I bought a house in rural Vermont as a primary residence in 1997 for about $125k.  After a few years, I refinanced into a 15 year mortgage.  I lived there for 8 years then moved back to NYC.  Since moving away I have been renting the house to vactioners first through VRBO and Homeaway and then through AirBNB.  Since the house is located near great skiing and not to far from VT's biggest city, Burlington, I've had great success.  I used the proceeds from vacation rentals to completely pay off the mortgage last year and since then to buy a vacant lot next door and to make improvements.  Plus, I get to use the house for my own when I need to escape from NYC.  It's worked out like a dream and I plan on retiring there - and keeping my place in NYC as well - the best of both worlds.