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All Forum Posts by: Steve F.

Steve F. has started 3 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Deal Analysis & Due Diligence - Questions

Steve F.Posted
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 6
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Thanks guys. I know a lot of the older tenants are on SS, so raising the rent significantly right away may not be feasible, but I plan to do it slowly over time, because they are getting a great deal right now.

Patrick, would you mind giving some more details on how these types of tenants are needy? Is it because they have too much time on their hands?, and call to complain?

I plan to have a local, offsite manager to deal directly with the tenants - I don't want them calling me ten times a day.

Post: Deal Analysis & Due Diligence - Questions

Steve F.Posted
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 0

Hi folks,

I was wondering if I could get some thoughts on a deal I have under contract, and also some guidance on due diligence.

I just put a park under contract in the Buffalo, NY area, with the following metrics:

Price: $640K (no vendor financing)

39 pads, with 35 occupied @ $285 per month (residents pay pay utilities directly; water is paid by the park, but charged back to the residents on a quarterly basis)

33 pads are resident owned; 2 are sold on a RTO basis for $100 per month

City water & sewer

Park tenants are mostly older and retired (no riff-raff; current owner is an older ex cop)

Based on a high level analysis, I would say the fair value of the park is:

$285 x 35 x 60% x 12 months / 10% cap rate = $718K (so the purchase price is +/- 90% of "back of the envelope" fair value)

There is potential upside in the rent, because $285 is very cheap for the area. Other parks are renting for closer to $390 (albeit, they have amenities, doublewide trailers and this is a plain park). I figure I can slowly raise rents by $50 per month, plus the potential to fill the empty lots down the line.

Overall, I think the purchase is okay, but I'm struggling with how to complete the due diligence. I know all the items I need to request from the seller (based on various checklists on this website, and from Frank Rolfe's website), but for the physical due diligence, what should I do?

Should I hire a plumber, electrician and tree specialist to help verify the condition of the property? Are there any other professionals who typically help with this kind of task?

I don't really have a real estate agent I work in the area (the purchase was negotiated directly with the seller), and I'm not entirely sure how to proceed. Beyond that, I have never bought a mobile home park, so I'm not entirely sure of the steps involved in DD.

Any advice would greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Post: Deal Analysis - Canada

Steve F.Posted
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 0

Well, I spoke to the realtor again, and he said the seller won't accept less than $700K. The seller is in too deep with a second and third mortgage on the property, so he "needs" $700K to bail him out. Best of luck to Jim - maybe I can pick up this property if it goes under power of sale in the near future.

Post: Deal Analysis - Canada

Steve F.Posted
  • Toronto, Ontario
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 0

Hi everyone,

I live in Toronto, Ontario, and I'm looking at a transaction. I was hoping I could get some help from the folks on this site. It's going to be a bit of a long-winded article, so please bear with me. Thanks in advance for everyone's help.

I've come across a potential deal in a mid-sized Ontario with about 150,000 people, and relatively stable economy/population (hasn't moved since 2000, but it's not declining). The city is not in driving distance, so I need to commute up there for the deal.

I have come across a 3-storey, walk-up apartment building that's for sale. The building is listed at $850K with 13 units (4 x 2 Bedroom @$790 per month, 7 x 1 Bedroom @ $640 per month, 2 x Bachelor @$450 per month). There are two units which are currently vacant - a 2 bedroom unit and a bachelor unit.

The basic pro-forma I've assessed is as follows:

4 x $790 x 12 = $37,920

7 x $640 x 12 = $53,760

2 x $450 x 12 = $10,800

PGI: $102,480

Less: Vacancy @ 15% = ($15,372)

Less: Management @ 10% of EGI = ($8,711)

Less: Property tax (2014) = ($15,000) - Includes trash

Less: Utilities (2013) = ($12,000) - Hydro charged back for almost all apartments; these are heating costs (it gets very cold up here in the winter, and hot in the summer)

Less: Insurance (2013) = ($3,000)

Less: Maintenance & Misc. = ($7,500)

Less: My costs to travel back & forth ($3,000)

Realistic NOI in year 1 =~ $38,000

Implied value at 7% cap = $543K

Implied cap rate @ $850K = 4.5%

What needs work in the building?

Before we jump to the conclusion that the seller is way out of whack at $850K, let me walk you through the story on this building. The property was self-managed by a local investor who has failing health and is selling off his properties. From what I understand, he didn't really take care of this building, and it's in pretty rough shape. There is a significant amount of deferred maintenance on the building, and as such, the rent are $80-$100 below market (though it's difficult to raise them because we have rent control that limit the rent on occupied apartments to inflation - unless the apartment is vacant, in which case I can raise it to whatever I want).

The seller's agent has suggested that the building needs about $80K of work to get it in good condition, and here's a list of some significant items:

-rear wall (east facing) has had bulging brick veneer removed and is ready for new siding or brick

-roof currently has a leak around the chimney - needs to be sealed and drywall repaired in one area (potentially would make more sense to remove chimney and vent boiler out exterior wall)

-one vacant unit (2br) now could use sprucing up in bathroom and paint/flooring throughout

-one unit coming up for oct 1 (1br) could use upgrade in kitchen and bath and paint/flooring throughout

-common areas could use some sprucing up - paint, maybe lighting, entrance door, perhaps flooring to improve 1st impression 

I've owned property before, but I am no handyman, so I'd need a general contractor to walk with me through the building condition. Suffice it to say that it's in pretty rough shape, but fixable (if he says $80K to fix it up, I'd budget $130K). The city ordered the seller to fix up the bulging brick veneer, and ended up fixing it themselves (and have attached the cost to the 2013 property taxes, which he would be responsible for upon closing).

Why should I buy this dump?

Now, here are the interesting parts:

1) The building is in a good location, close to downtown and along a bus route (very important in this city if you don't have a car). I'm positive that if fixed up, it would have no issues with vacancies. The city overall has a 4% apartment vacancy rate, and there's demand for decent, affordable housing in this price range.

2) The seller is not in good health at all, and wants to sell the property to settle his estate. As such, he's flexible in terms of pricing and terms, but would prefer a solid buyer who can commit to a reasonable closing date (which I am). 

I would even try to get him to carry a note for 10% of the sales price, and maybe try to offset the note against a any excess above a capped amount of renovation work (perhaps the $80K suggested by the agent).

3) Financing through Canadian Housing and Mortgage Corp. insurance (aka Canadian Freddie Mac) is very cheap - 30 years amort, 10 year term @ 4%, up to 85% LTV.

4) Replacement cost on this building is probably $90-100K per door, or at least $1M. This value is skewed by the rent controls in Ontario (which is why rental-only buildings are rarely built anymore).

The agent told me I could "have it" at $770K, but that price is absurd. If I budget $130K for repairs (which is admittedly a guess), I feel property is worth $610K in its current state (assume value upon renovation of $640K - see below), so I would offer $425K, with 60 days DD/Financing contingencies.

Value to buyer

Value if fixed up: $640K (revised $45K income at 7% cap)

Less: Renovation  ($130K)

Less: Margin of safety ($85K)

Equals: Purchase price $425K

If I buy at $425K, add in $130K for repairs (total cost $555K), with a $640K Value upon renovation, I can create $85K in value, and recoup my down-payment upon refinancing. I would initially do a 75% bank loan at current value to purchase, then hard money to renovate, following which I would refinance at whatever value the property is 6-months following closing.

I feel that fixed up, the property could show ~$45K in Operating NOI (by reducing the vacancies per above, along with modest increases in rent), and at a 7% implied cap rate, that brings the value to $640K.

Conclusion?

It's not the easiest path to making money, but what do you folks think of this? More trouble than it's worth?

Everyone, thanks for great info on here - very much appreciated. I was spoiled a bit because I was VERY aggressive with the financing on my previous condo acquisitions (15% down in most cases with CMHC - Canadian equivalent of Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac), and I did fairly well financially thanks to timing & luck (real estate has been on a tear up here for over a decade), but those loans always had recourse, and I realize that kind of financing wouldn't be available on a small balance loan anyways.

I've spoken to a couple of mortgage brokers already, and a 30% downpayment through an LLC on a non-recourse loan would probably a be a no-go unless I went with hard-money loans (which are 10% plus interest - that would make the investment a no-go).

As everyone know and from what I can see, beyond finding the right property & team, my main issue relates to financing. Unless I'm going to deposit the entire loan balance in a bank as a deposit (which is highly unlikely - the most I would do is 12 months of

In terms of partners, I wouldn't be adverse to a local partner with experience on the ground, but I've been burned in the past on partnerships. It might work better in terms of arranging a mortgage which is one reason I would look into this, but it would really have to be with the right kind of person.

I have the capital go put down higher rates on these kinds of properties, but then the cash-on-cash returns would be much lower, and I'm aiming for at least a 10% leveraged return (which isn't that aggressive, but seems very difficult given my circumstances).

Hi Folks,

I am a Canadian investor looking to acquire some multi-family properties in the US. I've had some success investing in condos in Canada, but I cashed out of the market because prices are totally ludicrous.

Anyhow, I've identified some multi-family properties in the Omaha area . Going through the demograhics and rental stats, it seems like a decent market (and I am planning to drop by there in a couple of weeks to see it on-site). I have already touched base with some agents to see about the market, so I'll lay some groundwork before I go there to look around.

In any event, I was hoping someone could help me with a few questions I have:

1) The properties I am looking at are in the $500K-$1M range, and I'll be looking to finance a majority of the purchase. I am looking to put up 25-30% of the purchase price, but given that I am a foreign national, does anyone know what the financing options are like for this kind of commercial property (and it's not a turnaround situation - I have no interest in hard-money loans)?

I'm looking for a 30-year mortgage with a 7-10 year term, non-recourse. With a 30% downpayment and stabilized income in the property itself, what kind of financing is available to a non-US citizen? Am I barking up the wrong tree?

2) What steps do people take to generate good leads on Property Management companies? I previously managed my properties by myself, but given that I'll be looking to acquire investments where I'm not on-site, I'll need a strong PM.

Thanks in advance.