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All Forum Posts by: Steve K.

Steve K. has started 6 posts and replied 246 times.

two of my friends from college were the first 2 people from Hawaii who bought from Memphis Invest in the late 2000s

I bought 5 units in the summer of 2012, and several of our friends and family have also purchased

chris and the clothier family are stand-up individuals and businessmen

this is another example of what they do for the communities they serve

I am proud to say that I am part of the Memphis Invest Family, although just a small part 

I had the privilege of meeting jay Hinrichs when he was visiting Oahu a couple of months ago

and he is exactly as he is on the forums, knowledgeable and experienced, and a great communicator

unfortunately, I have not gotten to meet the other organizers, but I hope to at some point

it is acts like the formation of this charity that truly show the strength and value of online communities

back in the day, I was moderator of a model-specific car forum, where the motto was "it's the people!" and this applies here too

I hope everyone on BP has a great 4th of July holiday

'muricah!

aloha

steve

Post: Land Development Funds and Private Placements

Steve K.Posted
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 247
  • Votes 315

i'm in one, but I don't think they are that common

and i am sure I wouldn't do one again

got this one for diversification, and the possibility of a home run

lots of risk, and no cash flow

not for everyone

aloha

steve

Originally posted by @Omar Khan:

Respectfully, you are entitled to your opinion but you aren't entitled to facts. 

You have ZERO control akin to a mutual fund. Your best hope, unlike mutual funds with audited financial statements and a public track record, is that the syndicator is professional and honest. Short of that you have little to no recourse if things go south. I would suggest you read the PPM to realize how much, or how little, recourse you have. 

You are in for a rude shock if you think traditional stock are more easily manipulated. Most syndicators have little oversight on internal controls and have shoddy financial reporting. Also, they are not obliged to provide even a fraction of transparency that the average mutual fund manager has to provide. 

This is why relationships are critical in syndications and not as much when investing in a typical mutual fund/ETF portfolio.

Don't mistake a rising tide - the RE market being up for 9 years - for operational intelligence. 

not directed toward @omar khan, but just to leave here as information a post I made in a thread a month ago that is appropriate here:

when I first started researching investing in syndications, one of the first web pages I found was this:

Private Placements and the Risk of Fraud

Entities raising capital through private placements often have a limited operating history and typically have more modest revenue streams than larger companies.

Because private placement offerings made in reliance on Rule 506 of Regulation D are not reviewed by regulators, they have become a haven for fraud.

According to the most recent enforcement statistics from the North American Securities Administrators Association, private placement offerings are the most
frequent source of enforcement cases conducted by state securities regulators.

Originally posted by @Andrey Y.:
Originally posted by @Devin Redmond:

Hey Andrey - Lots of great advice here from others, particularly around finding sponsors that you like and trust. This is easier said that done if you're new to syndications. I'd recommend using the following approach to quickly separate the players from the poseurs:

Check References: Ask the sponsor to put you in touch with a couple of investors from a prior deal that didn't quite go according to plan. Call them up and ask open-ended questions about sponsor communication, honesty, etc.. If they can't give you names, or have never had a deal come in under projections, then you've got a red flag right there.

Check the Exit Cap: Interest rates are going up and cap rates usually follow. It's really easy to juice the projected investor IRR by dialing down the exit cap. If the underwriting relies on an exit cap that's close to today's stabilized cap rate for the asset class/local market, that's another red flag. It should be a minimum of 150-200 bps higher.

Check Market Rent Growth: Rent growth is the other dial that sponsors love to play around with to make the returns look good. Given the solid rent growth seen in almost all markets over the past six years, I'd find it hard to stomach continued rent growth higher than about half the average growth rate seen in the local market over the past three years. Maybe ask the sponsor to run a scenario for you with only 3% annual market rent growth and see what happens to the investor-level returns.

Check the Sponsor's Fee to Equity Ratio/Timeline: This one can be a bit tricky but it's the best way to calculate skin in the game, which is the best proxy for, "Are we all on the same team?" If the sponsor is only 5% of the equity and they're looking for a 2% acquisition fee plus leasing fees plus management fees, it's likely they've recouped their entire equity position inside of two years. After that, the worst they can do is break even, but you've still got 100% of your equity at risk. The sponsor should have skin in the game all the way until the bitter (or sweet) end.

Hope this is helpful. I'm curious what criteria others have used to quickly and efficiently vet syndicators?

 Interesting point on the last bit. I have never asked a sponsor how much of the "units"/equity they are holding with their own skin in the game. I'm not sure if it would be rude.. or if they'd even answer.

Supposedly Grant Cardone fronts all of the cash, then he "backraises" the equity for the DP. He did this in the past before doing full fledged syndication I am sure.. right now with his buying $160M deals, I doubt he is fronting the $60M down payment but who knows.

@Andrey y

every syndication I have looked at, the sponsor says they are putting in "at least $xxxxx" in the promotional materials

it is not rude to ask, if the sponsor gets offended, that should be an indication to you where his interest lies...

Originally posted by @Andrey Y.:
Originally posted by @Sam Grooms:

No problem going all in on syndications. You can actually diversify very well. I would invest in different asset classes, with many different sponsors, in different parts of the country. 

 What are the other "asset classes" that you are referring to? So far, the syndicators I've come across have been investing in large (100+ unit) apartment complexes, most with a value-add approach. Could you shed light on these other assets and sponsors? Here or PM is fine. Appreciate it!

aloha Andrey

other potential asset classes are NNN commercial, mobile homes, self-storage, strip malls, and more

my strategy is to ladder anticipated closing dates, and diversify across asset classes and areas of the country

this also allows me to have different syndication teams, so I am not relying on a few key players

aloha

steve

ps- I've heard syndications referred to as (tongue in cheek, but it applies to you and me) "REI for doctors and dentists"

Post: Out of state, sight unseen investing

Steve K.Posted
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 247
  • Votes 315
Originally posted by @Tom O.:

Matt K. What is the Morris Invest ongoing disaster?

@tom o

enter "morris invest" in the search box (click on magnifying glass on the upper right)

Post: How To Find the Right Mentor. How to avoid a Bad Mentor..

Steve K.Posted
  • Honolulu, HI
  • Posts 247
  • Votes 315
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Michael Quarles  I struggle with this one a lot.. 

I want to help but I am a crappy teacher.. :)  

and for me what comes naturally to many simply does not.

when I listened to about a 5 minutes section of your BP pod cast I said to myself that is a professional salesmen who has uber experience been around the block etc etc..   But that's a compliment from your peer group.

but being an old dude I mean the way we got into real estate is get a license and work at a brokerage and the veteran brokers taught you a lot.. I know I learned most of my sales skills at the weekly meeting listening to the veterans banter back and forth how they handled objections lines they used to close etc etc.. this is a science to a certain extent if your going belly to belly trying to close deals.

If your just looking to be an landlord and buy deals the sales skills are not as acute or not needed.. but if your going to go to the source and buy direct you had better know how to close.. and they should listen to your pod cast.. it was genius.

now I remember and this goes to what @Kurt Phillips talked about Yeppers.. well on some follow up on your pod cast and it was when I was new to BP I thought crap this guy is pro everyone is going to love him.. and there were people on the blog thingee  OH he sounded to firm to forward to much like a salesmen I would never do that.. Me I am thinking you folks wont do anything because you don't know a pro when you hear one  LOL.. so same pod cast two diametrically opposed opinions me thinking your great others thinking your too strong and forceful.

@Jay Hinrichs

don't sell yourself short

I learned quite a lot from you in an hour or so that we talked

I really appreciated hearing about your experiences and current/future plans

I also pay attention to all your posts, for I know that yours are some of the most insightful on this forum

mahalo for your teachings

aloha

steve

Originally posted by @Scott Trench:

The market is a function of supply and demand. 

With a strong economy and still (even though they are rising) low interest rates, more people are able to purchase homes. So, demand has risen. 

Supply has not kept pace with demand. 

Why? There are a ton of factors. I suppose an economist could chime in with better detail. But, one factor that seems within the control of the government might be to reduce barriers to entry and regulation on housing construction to allow more new home construction to take place and satisfy demand. Tariffs on construction materials like timber probably aren't helping either, but construction costs were soaring prior to that. 

I think that part of the problem is that many companies and employees who were a part of the pre-recession market may have collapsed, leaving a black hole devoid of skilled labor and tenured companies. The few who survived have enjoyed a huge increase in demand and a competitive landscape that has not caught up yet.

To solve the problem outside of government intervention, private businesses need to spot the opportunities in the market. I have a buddy in the home construction business. He says that building costs have increased by 80% in the past few years (I could be citing this incorrectly, please call me out if that is way off!). If that's in the right ballpark, that's absurd and to me seems like an obvious opportunity for entrepreneurs to enter the market and compete effectively.

The demand for skilled labor is higher than ever, and costs for materials are increasing as well. With more demand for labor and materials, we have to hope that more workers enter the construction labor force, more companies hire and train to enable this, and more competition enters the space for construction materials.

 i don't know how it is in other areas, but I am hearing more and more about people sending their measurements/plans of their house digitally to china, and they get a container with a kitchen in it, with counters and sinks and cabinets for cheap

not sure if it is here since we are closer to china and have a ton of immigrants, but perhaps in the western coastal big cities too

aloha

steve

Originally posted by :

 Here is the article that @Jay Hinrichs spoke of! https://www.therealestatecrowdfundingreview.com/si...

mahalo (thanks) @sklyar vincent

Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

Ian Ippottio can out with a very good blog on it today...

i must be google challenged today

i cannot find ian's blog on MF