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All Forum Posts by: Steve Englehart

Steve Englehart has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Quote from @Andrew Kubik:

Is your IRA a traditional or roth IRA? If it's a roth IRA, you may be able to take out the principle tax/penalty free.

I have both traditional and Roth.  Thanks
Quote from @Michael Swan:

Hi this is Swanny.  That is exactly what I did and told my story on BP Podcast 238 in 2017. I cashed out one little condo (rental property) at a time and paid the the taxes to do so. Just made to take out the taxes at the same time to make sure I had them to pay those taxes.


Swanny (Michael Swan)BP Podcast 238 guest 2017.

Just listened to the podcast.  Would love to connect with you. 
Quote from @Jon Martin:
Quote from @Mark S.:

@Jon Martin What assumptions are you using to state that he can make ‘far more money' by pulling his money out of an IRA and investing in real estate? I am curious because that is a very broad statement and there are many variables to this - what is the IRA invested in? What kind of real estate would he buy? What experience does he have in real estate or in selecting investments in his IRA?

All fair questions and yes, there are far too many variables to say with any sort of certainty. Here is how I look at it:

If you have $125K in a Roth 401K that will earn tax free earning at just under 10% per year, you will get a doubling every 4 years based on the rule of 72, making that $125K worth $2M in 30 years. That $2M would be worth $100K on a safe 5% withdrawal rate at that time. Very significant, and demostrates the power of compounding interest. 

Now, if you pull out that $125K and pay the tax penalties, that would get knocked down to ~$100K after fees and taxes (rough numbers for easy math sake). Given that some of that would be your contributions that were paid with after tax income, especially after other REI tax benefits offsetting the blow, the cash eaten by taxes/fees wouldn't be as bad as the back of the envelope math suggests. Either way, you would be left with roughly enough to put 10% down on a $400-600K property and still have cash leftover for closing costs, furnishings and minor touch up renovations.

At 4% appreciation, that home would be worth $1.35M and be paid off by the end of 30 years which yes, is significantly less than $2M. However, if you can profit $1K/month off of that property and cycle that cash flow back into something that makes the same return as your boring 401K, that will net you another $1.8M in 30 years, pushing you well over $3M. That's without figuring in tax benefits, increasing revenue per year with inflation, picking a market with more appreciation potential, making more than $1K/month profit (very doable) etc that could supercharge those numbers even more. 

That's how pulling money from a retirement fund can net you far more in the end if you do it right. 

Thank you.  This is really good stuff.  

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Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Steve Englehart:

I currently have two long term rentals and am looking into buying into the short term rental arena. I know there are penalties and tax implications but wanted some advice on cashing out Roth IRA or IRA to buy investment properties?


Why? Why not use your IRA to just buy the property? You will never get the $ back in the fees etc. you are gonna pay with penalties, your returns need to be absurd. My recommendation is get a self directed IRA and have the real estate be owned by your IRA

Yeah,  I have heard a lot about the self directed IRA.  I am going to talk to my CPA and see if I can convert.  
My only thing is that I would like to create some more immediate cash flow.  If IRA owns the property wouldn’t all rental income have to go directly into the IRA?
Quote from @Chris Seveney:
Quote from @Steve Englehart:

I currently have two long term rentals and am looking into buying into the short term rental arena. I know there are penalties and tax implications but wanted some advice on cashing out Roth IRA or IRA to buy investment properties?


Why? Why not use your IRA to just buy the property? You will never get the $ back in the fees etc. you are gonna pay with penalties, your returns need to be absurd. My recommendation is get a self directed IRA and have the real estate be owned by your IRA

Yeah,  I have heard a lot about the self directed IRA.  I am going to talk to my CPA and see if I can convert.  

I currently have two long term rentals and am looking into buying into the short term rental arena. I know there are penalties and tax implications but wanted some advice on cashing out Roth IRA or IRA to buy investment properties?