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All Forum Posts by: Steve B.

Steve B. has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: House Hack in LA or STR in MKE?

Steve B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

Update:

we bought a house in Milwaukee and have it listed on Airbnb. Got bookings immediately and so far it’s looking like it will be pretty profitable. Check it out here: https://abnb.me/1VYVKG5ZMR

Cost was a bit more than expected and it wasn’t easy. Had to do a ton of work remodeling the place (paint, some new flooring, carpet in bedrooms, kitchen countertops, added dishwasher, over range microwave and open shelving instead of upper cabinets). We were lucky to have some handy friends and family in the area who helped us. We did everything in two trips from LA to MKE. About seven twelve hour workdays... Plus we hired some help for painting and flooring. Cost of everything was at the top end of my estimate, of course. 

If everything continues to go well I’m estimating that monthly cash flow, after costs, returns our entire investment in about 3 years.

We’re thinking about a duplex for our next one. I think we would hire more help next time around.

Post: House Hack in LA or STR in MKE?

Steve B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

@Luke Carl, you and Paul both look to have great businesses. I just know that I want to cater to tourists. I think you make a good point about regulatory risk. Do you think the risk of regulation is high in Milwaukee?  With the housing crisis in Los Angeles, I think the risk of hindering regulations is high. 

Post: House Hack in LA or STR in MKE?

Steve B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

Thanks for the response @Kevin Lefeuvre. I tend to agree with you that the value of SoCal real estate will continue to go up...

Post: House Hack in LA or STR in MKE?

Steve B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Kevin Lefeuvre:

Bubble? Hmm! LA is undervalued, just like the rest of SoCal. Look at the bay area and the SF fog and the cold beaches and where they are. The media and entertainment industry has a huge untapped potential, and people , especially millennials move easily, to better climate from anywhere so demand will grow faster in the future. Inventory will be short for ever. And salaries for millenials are catching those in the bay area.

I remember in 1997, I hesitated to buy in the bay area, everyone told me the prices are crazy, the growth will not last , bubble... etc... They gave all the "so called smart" stats with the ratio of the RE price vs. salaries, loan amounts, etc... But the equation is easier than all that. Supply vs. Demand and the size of inventory. Growth has been around 250%-300% since 97!!! despite 2 or 3 crisis in between and there is no change to expect in the long run (except short up and downs) because there is no end to the migrations to California in a foreseeable future. You get 5% less cash flow than elsewhere and 10-20% more appreciation... No brainer. The challenge is to get loans...

Post: House Hack in LA or STR in MKE?

Steve B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

Solid advice I’m sure, Paul. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I’m looking for advice on my specific situation, though. 

Whatever we decide, we will definitely be looking in places where the wife and a I won’t be required to pack heat, lol. 

Post: House Hack in LA or STR in MKE?

Steve B.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

My wife and I are currently considering two different strategies and would like to get some insight from people who have experience. Neither of us have ever purchase real estate.

1. We have enough to make a small down payment on a SFH in Los Angeles. Target home has to have a detached garage, 3 bedrooms (min), 1.5 bath (min). Once purchased the plan is to convert a bed / bath into a mother in law suite that would go up as STR. Assuming moderate success on AirBnB, that would get us to about what we are paying in rent, maybe a little better off (at least we are paying a mortgage and not rent at this point). Second part of the plan is to convert the garage under the new ADU laws in Los Angeles that streamline conversion of a SFH to a duplex. At that point we would have an additional short term or a long term rental unit. Fully developed, we could be close to covering the entire mortgage within 2 years of purchase and padding our savings to look for additional opportunities.

2. We could use the money to purchase an out of state duplex in MKE. We chose MKE for practical reasons and the market for STR seems tenable. Practically, my wife's family lives there and we could call on them in an emergency. Marketwise, I've got an agent in the area who says he has clients bringing in between $25 - 30K gross annually with STR duplexes (prices in MKE on AirBnB look to support the claim).

There are pros and cons to each, here's what I thought of (what didn't we think of?):

1. Pros: We get to manage the day to day which saves on property management and probably makes a better experience for STR guests. - Significant tax savings of owning a primary residence with a sizable mortgage. - Year round tenancy vs STR market with harsh winter - No more rent!

1. Cons: Is LA in a crazy RE bubble? - Max leverage means a small decline in LA housing prices wipes out equity. - Lack of diversification, for the cost of option 1. we could probably get 2 - 3 investment properties in less expensive markets. - Earthquakes - If STR doesn't work, we're on the hook for a big monthly payment. - VERY hard to find a house that fits...

2. Pros: significantly lower monthly obligation, mortgage is 1/4 -1/3 that of option 1. - No earthquakes - Own a place close to wife's family. - Could significantly add to our monthly savings quickly - Option to convert to long term rental and still make 1.5 -2% of purchase price. - Easier to find a house that fits within the numbers.

2. Cons: Not there to manage STR's (I give this con a lot of weight) - Winter... i hate winter, plus rental rates go down. - Buying a house from across the country is slightly uncomfortable for me (mostly irrational fear). - Having to front all of the upgrades at time of purchase, including furniture, is expensive (spending a lot of money on stuff that wouldn't be necessary for a long term rental).

1. Neighborhoods include: Jefferson Park, Leimert Part, West Adams, el sereno

2. Neighborhoods include: Washington Heights, River West, Walkers Point,

If you read this whole post you are awesome. If you put some thought into it and provide advice you are very awesome.

Thanks!