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All Forum Posts by: Stephen Morales

Stephen Morales has started 0 posts and replied 20 times.

When I had my own PM company here in Jax, we had some properties that lets just say were harder to move. We often would offer concessions such as no security deposit or do half off first months rent or even a discount off the first couple of months. We would normally negotiate this on a case by case basis.

Post: Direct skip and Cold Calling Companies

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Kam J.:
I'm looking to skip trace only emails. Any recommendations for that?

 I would give Prime Tracers a shot, they are pay as you go and you also get 100 free credits on sign up to try them out. 

Post: Best skip tracing website?

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10

If PropStream’s data isn’t cutting it, you might want to check out Prime Tracers. It’s got solid accuracy (around 80%+), so you’ll deal with way fewer bad numbers and email bounces, plus the hit rates are much better. They also have a pay-as-you-go setup, so you’re not stuck in a subscription—just a simple, practical option for better skip tracing.

If you haven't already I would consider giving Prime Tracers a shot.

Post: Wholesaling contact info

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10

Try out Prime Tracers for skip tracing. Highest accuracy in the business as they actually update their data daily. They are also pay as you go and let you try them out for free with no CC info. The more lead credits you purchase at once the more you save.

If you haven't already I would give Prime Tracers a try. They do free sign up with 100 free credits so you can try them out. It's also pay as you go and the more lead credits you buy at once the more you save. 

Post: Why don't agents and investors like wholesalers??

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Stephen Morales:
Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Stephen Morales:

I'm an agent, an investor and a wholesaler. Some places like Illinois for example require individuals to be licensed with the state in order to wholesale more than 1 deal per year. 

The biggest issue is most of these "gurus" that get new wholesalers involved teach them to be deceptive when they approach realtors. 

To anyone I've ever helped get started I've taught them that transparency is number one when you're looking to work with an agent.

I started off as an agent and I used to HATE wholesalers. They were taking my investor customers away from me and keeping me from getting a commission. Most wholesaling firms will make an agent put their commission on top of the deal so why would your investor do that when they could cut you out of the deal. Luckily my customers were pretty loyal to me but you get the point. 

I couldn't beat them so I joined them. I make way more money wholesaling and investing then I ever did as being just an agent. 

Just be transparent if you plan on working with a Realtor, you know how many times they have a "Buyer" or "investor" calling them or emailing them that " I NEED TO FIND DEALS ASAP" only to find out it's another wholesaler trying to get deals out of them. Not to mention they have a dozen other agents just like you busting their tail for them. 

Sounds like you “found your niche” in real estate Stephen.  You mention you’re a wholesaler AND investor.  Question - if you’ve contracted for a property you intend to “wholesale” - i.e. flip the contract - and that doesn’t pan out, do you exercise a clause enabling you to exit the deal, or do you close it in your name? 

 It depends, we recently had a deal where we got under contract for $26k, We new AS-IS there was a strong possibility to sell it on market for $95-100k. So we shopped it out to our consistent buyers but at a strong price of $75k. Long story short, we settled with one of our VIPs for $72k they put up a non refundable the same day. If we did not have the buyer for the price we wanted we would have closed on the deal ourselves to maximize our profit. 

In this business though, it's all about speed. We will take the quick deal any day over making a few extra thousand bucks. 


 I wouldn’t think those are common numbers.. if you’re buying properties at 26K regularly that’s a different story. Bought a property for 30 K in a town about 2 1/2 hours from here that I thought surely I could sell it for 35K or 40. Guess what?  I ended up having the close on it myself. Rehab it, we refinanced it and put a renter in it. That lower price range house that’s not a total tear down is not common though. So basically you used an example that many wholesalers could actually close on themselves. Once a person starts getting into more expensive properties that’s not usually the case for most wholesalers.


 Oh for sure, those are FAR from common numbers. I'm merely was giving an example of a big win/win situation where if we don't assign the contract, we can close on it and not have to cancel. If we can't assign it or get to a price where it makes sense to purchase the property more times than not we're going to cancel the contract. 

I mean there's other deals we've also closed on where we would have to use a PML or HML that only needs 20-50k down payment to get the deal done.

Post: Why don't agents and investors like wholesalers??

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Don Konipol:
Quote from @Stephen Morales:

I'm an agent, an investor and a wholesaler. Some places like Illinois for example require individuals to be licensed with the state in order to wholesale more than 1 deal per year. 

The biggest issue is most of these "gurus" that get new wholesalers involved teach them to be deceptive when they approach realtors. 

To anyone I've ever helped get started I've taught them that transparency is number one when you're looking to work with an agent.

I started off as an agent and I used to HATE wholesalers. They were taking my investor customers away from me and keeping me from getting a commission. Most wholesaling firms will make an agent put their commission on top of the deal so why would your investor do that when they could cut you out of the deal. Luckily my customers were pretty loyal to me but you get the point. 

I couldn't beat them so I joined them. I make way more money wholesaling and investing then I ever did as being just an agent. 

Just be transparent if you plan on working with a Realtor, you know how many times they have a "Buyer" or "investor" calling them or emailing them that " I NEED TO FIND DEALS ASAP" only to find out it's another wholesaler trying to get deals out of them. Not to mention they have a dozen other agents just like you busting their tail for them. 

Sounds like you “found your niche” in real estate Stephen.  You mention you’re a wholesaler AND investor.  Question - if you’ve contracted for a property you intend to “wholesale” - i.e. flip the contract - and that doesn’t pan out, do you exercise a clause enabling you to exit the deal, or do you close it in your name? 

 It depends, we recently had a deal where we got under contract for $26k, We new AS-IS there was a strong possibility to sell it on market for $95-100k. So we shopped it out to our consistent buyers but at a strong price of $75k. Long story short, we settled with one of our VIPs for $72k they put up a non refundable the same day. If we did not have the buyer for the price we wanted we would have closed on the deal ourselves to maximize our profit. 

In this business though, it's all about speed. We will take the quick deal any day over making a few extra thousand bucks. 

Post: Why don't agents and investors like wholesalers??

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Ashley Mierez:
Quote from @Stephen Morales:

I'm an agent, an investor and a wholesaler. Some places like Illinois for example require individuals to be licensed with the state in order to wholesale more than 1 deal per year. 

The biggest issue is most of these "gurus" that get new wholesalers involved teach them to be deceptive when they approach realtors. 

To anyone I've ever helped get started I've taught them that transparency is number one when you're looking to work with an agent.

I started off as an agent and I used to HATE wholesalers. They were taking my investor customers away from me and keeping me from getting a commission. Most wholesaling firms will make an agent put their commission on top of the deal so why would your investor do that when they could cut you out of the deal. Luckily my customers were pretty loyal to me but you get the point. 

I couldn't beat them so I joined them. I make way more money wholesaling and investing then I ever did as being just an agent. 

Just be transparent if you plan on working with a Realtor, you know how many times they have a "Buyer" or "investor" calling them or emailing them that " I NEED TO FIND DEALS ASAP" only to find out it's another wholesaler trying to get deals out of them. Not to mention they have a dozen other agents just like you busting their tail for them. 


 Thank you so much for saying this. Literally gave a breath of fresh air. I want to base all my relationships off honesty and transparency. The advice I have gotten hasn't been the best so thats why I posted my question here.


 For sure, glad I could help! As long as your upfront with your process you'll make connections with great people.

Post: Why don't agents and investors like wholesalers??

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10

I'm an agent, an investor and a wholesaler. Some places like Illinois for example require individuals to be licensed with the state in order to wholesale more than 1 deal per year. 

The biggest issue is most of these "gurus" that get new wholesalers involved teach them to be deceptive when they approach realtors. 

To anyone I've ever helped get started I've taught them that transparency is number one when you're looking to work with an agent.

I started off as an agent and I used to HATE wholesalers. They were taking my investor customers away from me and keeping me from getting a commission. Most wholesaling firms will make an agent put their commission on top of the deal so why would your investor do that when they could cut you out of the deal. Luckily my customers were pretty loyal to me but you get the point. 

I couldn't beat them so I joined them. I make way more money wholesaling and investing then I ever did as being just an agent. 

Just be transparent if you plan on working with a Realtor, you know how many times they have a "Buyer" or "investor" calling them or emailing them that " I NEED TO FIND DEALS ASAP" only to find out it's another wholesaler trying to get deals out of them. Not to mention they have a dozen other agents just like you busting their tail for them. 

Post: Facebook Wholesaler Wants me to Zelle for Property List

Stephen MoralesPosted
  • Jacksonville, FL
  • Posts 20
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Griffin Malcolm:
Quote from @Stephen Morales:
Quote from @Griffin Malcolm:

Thanks all,

Clear now that he is a scammer. To the other end of the question then... how do you all find legitimate Pay Per Lead companies? Is the ROI worth it?


 So I actually started off doing PPL but after a couple of months of using them the price exponentially increased. I'm talking $100 to now $450 per lead in my area. The problem is there is no guarantee that your lead is not being shared. In fact, there were a couple of times where I would call leads and they had a contract with someone else or was in the process of being listed. Now sometimes I would get a credit for a new lead but you have to write a detailed explanation every time I would ask for refund and wouldn't always get it rewarded. 

I had one that also did a flat flee for leads but there are other ones that do auction style. It was called Need to sell fast or something it's been several years since I used them. 

Now I just stick with a team of VAs that do my calls and lead generation and I handle all of the acquisition and dispo. We pull at least 50,000 records per month consisting of high equity and preforeclosures. I recommend using Prime Tracers for skip tracing large list if you value accuracy without exhausting your monthly marketing budget. 


 Super helpful, thank you! Yeah that was in the back of my mind as well - is the list I'm paying for being sent to other people as well? Seems like the answer is probably. Would you be open to a quick zoom / phone call so I can ask a few more questions on how you run your operation?


 Sounds good to me, I'm always happy to share my workflow with others and making connections. I'll shoot you an email.