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All Forum Posts by: Stephen E.

Stephen E. has started 18 posts and replied 165 times.

Post: Looming Eviction Crisis

Stephen E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 172
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I don't think this is an honest question, no offense. It's speculation. I agree that it absolutely could happen, but until it does nobody is going to give a suitable answer. We don't know what role the government will play, like, will they set up a program for guaranteeing rent for people who have previously been evicted, or will laws pass that prohibit asking if a person has been evicted, etc. I'm not saying any of this will happen, I'm just saying you don't either. Way too much information missing currently to bother going down this road.

Post: How To Get To $10K A Month In Passive Income While Really Trying

Stephen E.Posted
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A few days ago my friend Gail posted a question on BiggerPockets, asking for the best and fastest way for a newbie to get to $10k/month. I recommend reading it here.

Worth noting that this is something Gail has already done, she was asking for her younger friends.

I had my own response, which you can see here.

But over coffee this morning I found I was still thinking about her post, and the answers to her question, which I thought were inadequate across the board. I realized that in order to get an answer we needed to reframe the question.

The goal is $10k a month passive income. Passive is the key word, though it isn’t mentioned in the title. But even passive income is actually a matter of degrees. A turnkey property is considered passive income, and so are stock dividends, and so is bank interest. But bank interest is actually more passive than turnkey properties. At any rate, let’s use “passive” in the broadest, most forgiving sense and assume that you will still have to do a certain amount of maintenance, just not so much that it interrupts any of your other endeavors or weighs on your time, or brain.

With that goal clearly stated the first question is actually: How much capital do you need to acquire a passive income stream that large?  

I would say there are even two, maybe three, answers to that first question. I’m going to use rough math here so try to follow along. You need, in theory, either $500,000 or $1,000,000 in available liquid funds that you don’t owe money on.

If you have $500,000, and good credit, it’s possible, if you’re careful and do the research and have awesome credit (750 or higher) to get a commercial loan at 4% enabling you to purchase $2million worth of property that “passively” covers your mortgage and expenses and sheds $10k in profit per month. I’m reasonably certain that if your property generates 1.5 to 2% of the purchase price in rents with a property manager, or even 1.3% (hard to do in cities) without a property manager, that you would make $10k in profit monthly. You’ll have to do your own spreadsheet, I’m intentionally leaving a little room. This is rough math, but I think if you apply this to your situation, you’ll see it works out. Now, that's a pretty high performing property, but it's very possible to achieve. A property like that won't just fall on your lap (and if it did it would break your legs), but you'll be able to find it eventually. No point in getting too far ahead of yourself though.

So that’s how you do it with $500,000 and great credit.

With $1,000,000 it’s a little easier and there are more options. Now you’re just asking for 12% return. That's a great return but again, well within the range of possibility. You could purchase performing banknotes at 80% of their value that should give you this kind of return easily, though you’ll have to keep purchasing them as they're paid off. And that’s being conservative.

You could purchase $1mil in real estate that rents at around 1.3% or higher of the price of the property (a little more if using a property manager). You could do a combination of notes, dividend stocks, and real estate. All without taking loans. It’s very possible to generate 12% “passively” with one million dollars. And even more “passively” and with less risk to generate 8% with 1.5 million dollars.

In other words, we're reframing the original question to what is really being asked, which is: How much money do I personally need to achieve $120,000 annually in passive income, and what’s the quickest way to get there.

The quickest way to get to, say, $500,000 liquid, is to not be passive, obviously. There are a number of ways, but they are all extremely active, require tons of legwork and research, and probably a certain amount of risk as well. Some of the best, it seems to me related to real estate only (I haven’t done all of these) are

  • - AirBnB properties (much more active than standard rentals, this is an area I know inside out). Riskier because of neighbors, high tenant turnover, local laws, etc. Yet certainly not rocket science.
  • - Purchasing and working non-performing notes, which Gail is expert in.
  • - Purchasing foreclosures (steep learning curve, very high risk and competition).
  • - Fix and flip.
  • - Wholesaling.

Keep in mind you'll also go a lot quicker if your frugal and smart in the rest of your endeavors. Get a Costco card. Don't carry credit card debt. I'm not going to get into all of that here, but it's important especially for people in a hurry.

Based on this formulation, you really have 3 questions to answer, since the goal is already known:

  • 1. How active can I be in generating and saving income?
  • 2. Keeping in mind the ultimate goal of 10k passive income per month, do I need to get to $500,000, $1mil, or $1.5mil?
  • 3. Of the high return active investments (side note, active investments aren’t really “investments”, they’re businesses) which ones speak to me, what are my strengths and what are my limitations (i.e. Can I move? Is my credit good? How much start-up cash do I have? Am I an impulsive person who likes to gamble?). Because if you know your limitations, you’ll find it much easier to succeed within them. And if you don’t think you have limitations you might want to put gaining self-knowledge on your list of things to do as well.

Post: BEST AND FASTEST WAY FOR A NEWBIE TO GET TO $10K/MONTH

Stephen E.Posted
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@Gail Greenberg I guess so :) I have a property that cash flows really well and I'm currently rehabbing it before refinancing probably in January. I have 3 properties and they're all different. It's a hybrid approach.

Post: BEST AND FASTEST WAY FOR A NEWBIE TO GET TO $10K/MONTH

Stephen E.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 110

If I understand the question right, you're asking about $10k investment income. Since they have jobs and not a lot of time. And the way to get there seems to be rentals. Not STR, not flipping. Maybe BRRR. But steady income comes from rentals, not deals. There are a lot of ways to work real estate like a job, fix and flip, wholesaling, forclosures, etc. Passive income comes from rentals. So the thing each of them should be doing is buying a property and renting it. Just that. Because for me, and I think a lot of people, you learn by doing. So the quickest way is to buy property right away.

In this way they'll figure out their strengths and probably venture into different areas while learning at their own pace.

For a lot of years I was a writer and I had an editor who was fond of saying, "The number one reason nobody is going to publish your book is that you haven't written it yet." I think that applies here.

Post: Selling Without Realtor

Stephen E.Posted
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@Lindsey Thibodeaux I believe you can pay $300 to an agency just to list the property on MLS. So in that way you have the MLS listing without the commission. Then 2% commission to the buyer's agent, and maybe offer 1% if the buyer doesn't use an agent.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I'm just figuring this out.

I would probably feel weird selling the house and forcing the guests to move in that way. I'd want the new owners to honor the lease, just because it's the right thing to do. But maybe what I should do is talk to the residents and see if it's a thing we can work out. I worry that even mentioning selling the house would seem like a betrayal so maybe the tenants would then be ******. I think if I was younger and the landlord tried to pull that I would have treated them, or the property, badly. Need to maintain my karma :)

Post: To Landscape or not to landscape.....

Stephen E.Posted
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I think there is something to be said just for keeping the place looking nice because it encourages better behavior from the tenants. Trash begets trash, see litter do litter, etc. You don't have to spend a bunch of money to make the outside area look clean and nice and as long as you don't spend too much I think the intangibles are worth it, even without raising rents.

Post: Easier rent collection

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There are different ways to do this. I'm a smaller landlord renting out 3 residential units and 1 commercial. I have it in the lease that the rent has  to be paid by the 1st  electronically using either Venmo, Paypal, or Zelle. That's worked out fine and seems simpler than the options being discussed here. None of the tenants have an issue with it and I didn't have to set up some new system or pay out any percentages.

Post: Down Payment and 1% rule

Stephen E.Posted
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I don't have much to add here but the 1% rule you mentioned is the easiest shorthand, I find, for real estate investing. I literally started doing this years before I knew it was a "rule." If you can charge 1% of the total cost of the property (ie. purchase + repairs) as rent then really any other way you're evaluating the property will work out. 

Like if you're looking at yield, or cash over cash, or any of the dozens of ways people use to evaluate cash flow and value of a property, if the 1% rule applies then all of those other metrics will automatically work out.

Evaluating property this way is quick and easy and you'll make good cash flow wether you buy outright or do a mortgage or a standard commercial loan. I honestly don't know anything about hard money loans or other types, but I know that if the interest rate is as high as 5.4% this will work in your favor. And you'll make money.

Some quick math, and take this with a grain of salt, but just as an example, if you're managing your own property and pay $100,000 for it the 1% rule should give you 10% return on your money. Basically. And if you get a good loan, say a 30 year mortgage at 4% (currently lower) then you'll make closer to 20%, especially when counting amount of your loan going toward principle, which you should count.

I'm being very inexact here, but the short answer (to my long answer) to your question on 1% rule is that yes, you will have positive cash flow. The problem you'll likely have is it's not easy to find those kind of deals. They might require a certain amount of rehab/work. For me personally, and I'm a small fish, I look for 1%, but I'd be happy with .75% on a property that was turn key, like brand new construction.

Post: Selling Without Realtor

Stephen E.Posted
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  • Posts 172
  • Votes 110

@Braden Smith Thanks Braden! I'm thinking that since I have a lease already I won't be able to list it until the tenants move or the lease is up next May.

Post: Selling Without Realtor

Stephen E.Posted
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  • Posts 172
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@Lindsey Thibodeaux I probably can't sell the house right now, though I'd like to, because there is a tenant with a year lease until May. But I just can't see the upside in listing with an agent when I do. It seems like i can just list the house on MLS for $300 and offer 2% to buyers agents. The value seems to be bringing a buyer. I'm capable of creating a nice website and doing my own pictures and paperwork. Unless I'm missing something?

Knowing that I'd offer the 2% to a buyers agent a realtor would have to be worth that other 2% to 3%. $9,000 or $13,500. The cost seems prohibitive but I don't have experience selling with an agent. If the buyer has an agent that would seem to take care of most of the agent benefits.