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All Forum Posts by: Stephen Adams

Stephen Adams has started 3 posts and replied 5 times.

Post: How much was your first BRRRR deal?

Stephen AdamsPosted
  • Oxford, MS
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Stephen Glover:

Thanks @Taylor L.  I probably would not be on BIggerPockets anymore had I not contested that appraisal haha.

@Stephen Adams As Taylor mentioned I've had success with BRRRRs and have 3 underway right now. There are many thousands of investors with more experience/knowledge than me, but hopefully I can add some value. I'm also a property manager in Richmond, VA so I get so see what many other investors are doing as well. Check out Taylor's link above to my other post to see a BRRRR in detail.

Funding (solely my opinion): Save enough capital for reserves and also in case something goes wrong with the BRRRR, but NOT for the reason of investing that capital. Build relationships and invest other people's money if possible, but have your own money to back it up as needed.

Growing: All about relationships. With lenders, banks, insurance/CPA's/attorneys, GC's, and other investors. I have 7 BRRRRs lined up after these 3 (one owner), and another 3 BRRRRs after those 7 (one owner). Hope to complete these 3 and those 10 in the next 6-8 months if I can maintain a strong personal cash position (for reserves or mistakes). 

Start analyzing random houses over and over again- the numbers will begin to make sense! Do that while you begin to build your team, then when you have a deal jump on it.  Good luck!

How difficult was it to get private lenders to fund the acquisition costs and the rehab costs? Reading your linked post, you mentioned $0 of your own money. I've read elsewhere that it's difficult to find private lenders who will fund 100% of the "all-in" cost. Did you meet these lenders from prior personal relationships or the online BP community?

Post: How much was your first BRRRR deal?

Stephen AdamsPosted
  • Oxford, MS
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 1

As I begin to save enough capital to start the BRRRR strategy, I'm curious to see how others have started in the same strategy.

My questions are:

(1) How much was the purchase price of the property?

(2) How much was the "all-in" cost for the property?

(3) Did you pay "all-cash" or did you use other financing methods (e.g., private lending)?

(4) What was the eventual ARV of the property?

I would really like to begin the strategy however I am trying to get a general idea of how much I would typically need to save to start (I know this varies by market, but I'm curious if anyone has had success with the BRRRR strategy in markets where it's atypical to find a SFR at less than $100k)

Post: Starting Out in My Small College Town in Oxford, MS.

Stephen AdamsPosted
  • Oxford, MS
  • Posts 5
  • Votes 1

I'm just starting out, so linked below is a short member introduction post that outlines my goals and general background.

Linked Here

I decided to test the waters in my own local community first, a small college town comprised primarily of single family homes, condos, and large apartment complexes. Given the small size and limited inventory, it appears that it may be largely saturated with other real estate investors who quickly snatch up most inexpensive properties often with all-cash offers as soon as the property hits the market; which would force me to primarily focus on off-market deals and direct marketing to potential sellers to preempt the properties hitting the market. 

As for financing, my options include conventional lending and HELOCs. I don't currently have the connections to potential private or hard money lenders to help finance a deal, though I may make more of an effort on establishing a list of potential lenders if/when I find a deal that would be worth their time. I do not have the capital available to fully finance a deal. It all boils down to finding deals and once a deal has been has been located then creatively financing the acquisition becomes the focus. 

The first thing that I did was reach out to a realtor that was recommended to me as an investor. After introductions, she essentially asked me as to what price range I was looking for. At that point, my budget was uncertain and I simply wanted some prospective properties that I could run the numbers on and determine their viability as an investment therefore I told her as such and to simply keep me in her rolodex of buyers for anything that came down the pipe. She informed me that there were some investors that were potentially offloading their inventory soon and that she would send me more information via email (which I provided). It has been a month and I haven't heard anything from her since that initial phone call. Which is fine, my lack of budget or concrete requirements probably sent the message that I wasn't that serious of an investor.

Therefore I decided to take a proactive strategy instead of relying on realtors to bring deals to me. First I decided to list out many of the neighborhoods (~30 odd neighborhoods) of the town and determine which ones held the most potential for rental investment properties (affordability and age of properties primarily). My thoughts were that older homes held the most potential for forced appreciation and the more affordable homes would provide the best opportunity for cash-flow. This rough criteria narrowed the list down to around thirteen neighborhoods.

So now I have narrowed my focus on the thirteen neighborhoods where the homes would more likely satisfy the 1% test (the 2% test is even more difficult). The market rent rate is unlikely to go above $1500 for your typical 3BD/2BR SFR and your typical rent-ready property will cost at least $100,000. These are also the neighborhoods that would potentially have homes that could be purchased and rehabbed at 75% ARV, thus a candidate for a BRRRR deal. These are older neighborhoods with smaller houses but they are also close enough to the town.
Using available public-facing information, for each neighborhood, I have a spreadsheet with information on each property and its owners. I am right now focusing on absentee owners of multiple properties that may want to sell off some of their portfolio. I also have an extensive list of properties with tax sales history that I can intersect with my neighborhood-specific information to focus on properties with a history of tax delinquencies. I haven't reached out to the local municipality for information on pre-foreclosures but that is a possible future option. Right now, I'm simply surveying my current information at hand to determine the feasibility of deals in those areas. 

My criteria for a deal is pretty simple:

  • If the acquisition/rehab/holding costs are 75-80% of the ARV; I feel like this would be essential for the cash-out refinance portion of the BRRRR method.
  • If the cash flow is greater than $200/mo.
  • If the cash-on-cash ROI is 15% or greater.


    Now using the neighborhood information that I have available, it's simply the process of seeking out possible deals.

    Priority is given to physically distressed properties or properties with a history of tax delinquency. If there are no obvious candidates in the neighborhood, I have decided to choose potential investors or absentee owners that may be looking to offload some of their properties. 

    Here is an example:


    In this neighborhood, this owner has roughly six properties built between 1974 - 1995. Cursory surveyed listed rent rate information from recent years (2018-2019) details that tenants are likely to be paying anywhere from $1000 - $1150/month. There isn't any recent sales history, the only history spans the prior decade with noted listings from 2011 to 2015 with anywhere from $80k to $110k as the listing price (sold in some cases). This information is from Zillow.com and/or Realtor.com . All properties have 3-4 bedrooms and 1.5-2 bathrooms and range anywhere from 1200 - 1350 square feet in size. 

    In a hypothetical situation, let's say that these properties rent, conservatively, for $1000. I subtract the vacancy expenses (5% or $50), repair expenses (8% or $80), property management fees (estimated at 10% or $100), capex. expenses (estimated at $340), and a cash flow profit of at least $200; that would be $770 allowing for $230 to be used for property insurance, property taxes, and mortgage/interest.
    This seems incredibly difficult to achieve unless I can finance the deal completely myself thus removing the mortgage/interest component. 

    Am I missing something? 

    The expense percentages and amounts are based on Brandon Turner's The Book on Rental Property Investing. Even if I use the more relaxed 50% rule, you're looking at $300 after the $200/mo profit to handle mortgage/insurance/taxes.

    Of course, I will need to repeat this analysis for each neighborhood and each property in each neighborhood. If I find a property that potentially satisfies the criteria mentioned above then it becomes a matter of contacting the current owner and informing them of my interest to purchase.

    Post: New Real Estate Investor from Oxford, MS.

    Stephen AdamsPosted
    • Oxford, MS
    • Posts 5
    • Votes 1

    Thanks for the reply!

    Multi-family properties would be more ideal for my long term goal however my current location of focus has a very limited inventory of multi-family properties (two-to-four units). As I dive deeper into my different farm areas, perhaps such properties may become more visible. Perhaps at an unknown point in the future when I have progressed further in establishing a size-able portfolio of SFRs, I could explore the option of cashing out some or all of my portfolio to purchase a much larger multi-family property to alleviate the management overhead.

    I will be posting a topic in the Starting Out forums in the near future detailing my current approach and I will link it to this thread.

    Post: New Real Estate Investor from Oxford, MS.

    Stephen AdamsPosted
    • Oxford, MS
    • Posts 5
    • Votes 1

    Hey, I'm incredibly new to real estate investing (as of this past summer) and I'm starting out in though not limited to Oxford, MS.
    I am a subscriber to the BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast and the BiggerPockets Business Podcast. 

    I have read the following from the BiggerPockets catalog:

    • The Book on Rental Property Investing by Brandon Turner.
    • How to Invest In Real Estate by Joshua Dorkin and Brandon Turner.
    • The Book on Estimating Rehab Costs by J. Scott.
    • The Book on No Money Down by Brandon Turner.
    • Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat by David Greene
    • The Book On Flipping Houses by J. Scott.

    My Personal Goal

    My initial fairly long-term-ish goal is to generate a $60k/year annual cash flow from my property portfolio. With a Cash-on-Cash-ROI estimate of at least 15%, I would need to invest at least $400,000 which if leveraged with a 20% down payment collectively across all properties would amount to $2 million dollars worth of property (this excludes other costs such as rehab and holding costs).

    $60,000/year would translate to $5000/month. I've seen many people mention that they try to achieve at least $200/month per unit of cash flow on leveraged properties and at least $500/month per unit of cash flow on all-cash properties.

    This would amount to at least 25x or 10x properties respectively. 

    Would this mean 25x $80,000 properties?

    I would prefer to use the BRRRR method if possible to snowball the growth of my portfolio, however waiting to accumulate enough money for the first all-cash purchase would require a long amount of time before actually starting. This could be a good thing, allowing me enough time to fully understand the market and filter possible deals without acting simply on impulse, however it could also result in missing out on possible deals due to the inability to act. I've entertained the idea of going an alternative funding route such as private lending and partnerships however it seems like both would heavily handicap the effectiveness of the BRRRR strategy. I could go the more traditional route and use a HELOC or equity-backed commercial loan backed by my primary residence's equity to get the ball rolling but it would only fund the down payment and I'm focusing on off-market properties that I could force appreciate and also which banks would be hesitant about loaning conventionally on.

    My location is a little odd. It's a college town in a low cost-of-living state, however the property values are a notorious outlier compared to what you might expect in such a state. It's a small town so the overall inventory is also fairly small and there are many relatively big players with enough capital to make real estate investing in the area incredibly competitive for those starting out with limited capital. It seems like one's best bet is to preempt any property going to market by going straight to a potential lead since most of the bigger investors have their fingers on the pulse of the MLS through their network of realtors and will quickly snatch up any property that could potentially cash flow or constitute as a "cheaper" single-family residence. The only way that I was able to purchase my primary residence before any other real estate investor snatched it up was from walking door-to-door in a desired neighborhood and asking the homeowners directly if they were interested in selling their house.

    One positive about the location is that it has many available online public-facing resources that make researching and lead generation a lot more accessible than those that require a subscription or the purchase of documents to do the same. I rather exhaust the possibilities of building my portfolio locally before looking at other possible locations to do so.

    I would like to combine a lot of the knowledge from the aforementioned books to aid in building this portfolio, including the tips from David Greene, J.Scott's books on finding deals, understanding and estimating the rehab process and Brandon's help of creatively financing possible deals and managing rental properties. 

    About Me

    My academic and professional background is that of a Software Developer with a B.S. and M.S. in Computer Science.