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All Forum Posts by: Stephanie W.

Stephanie W. has started 4 posts and replied 12 times.

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Hello, who is knowledgeable about the application (or not) of the Costa Hawkins Act on an attached JADU converted garage that received a certificate of occupancy recently in regard to the rent control. It is within the city of LA. Thank you 


 I believe the span is 15 years so date should be 2005. 

My view is neither your primary unit or the ADU should be rent controlled until 15 years after the ADU received certificate of occupancy. This derives from the rationale of the 15 year exemption. However many jurisdictions apply rent control to the primary if it is older than 15 years old. I believe this to be contrary to the rationale of the 15 year exemption.

To summarize, your JADU should not be rent controlled due to 15 year exemption.  Many jurisdictions will rent control the primary if it is older than 15 years older.  

Ideally this is research you perform as part of your underwriting when deciding to build the JADU.   Between the owner occupancy requirement of JADU, the lack of value added by a JADU, and it often making primary unit rent controlled, the JADU typically is a poor investment.  

Good luck.  

Thank you and to me Costa Hawkins applies because we have a certificate of occupancy that has been issued 2 years ago. We are being told by the city that the fact that it is a converted garage, the Costa Hawkins does not apply. So are we taking the CofO or the conversion to know which apply ? 

So they are stating because structure is older than 15 years old and it is now more than 1 unit, the rent control applies. I have seen jurisdictions do the same thing on the primary unit when an ADU is added. They do not use the date of when property became Mf but when the primary was constructed.

I have head senator Weinkowski speak on this subject and the rationale of the 15 year exemption.   It is to not discourage new units from being added.   So the jurisdictions that are applying the rent control to units that just became MF are not abiding by the intent.   Having said this, this is an issue that I have been aware of for over 2 years.  No one that I am aware of has been able to convince anyone that matters that the interpretation they use is against the rationale of the 15 year exemption and therefore a poor interpretation.  This should have come up in your fact finding when choosing to add the JADU (as well as their poor valuations)

Note if the unit is only 2 units and you are abiding by the owner occupied rules of a JADU, AB1482 (statewide rent control) does not apply.   That may leave localized rent control. 

If you have 3 units, the local jurisdiction’s interpretation will mean the primary unit and the JADU are rent controlled per AB1482.  

One thing that would be cheap is to see if HCD would take a stance that jurisdiction’s interpretation is incorrect.  What I have seen is Hcd has no means to enforce squat against jurisdictions that ignore hcd’s direction but maybe the jurisdiction will voluntarily concede to the Hcd interpretation. 

As indicated, I believe it is misinterpretation of the 15 year exemption, but unfortunately I suspect there is not going to be anything you can do about if jurisdiction maintains their interpretation (I know it sucks). I do not usually avoid this type of confrontation but I would not take on this fight and I have had on-going cases for 3 years (new one started before previous is settled). If I would not consider fighting this, it means few people would.

I hope you knew this could happen as part of your due diligence when adding the JADU  

Good luck

Thank you because it validates exactly what we were thinking.
Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Stephanie W.:

Hello, who is knowledgeable about the application (or not) of the Costa Hawkins Act on an attached JADU converted garage that received a certificate of occupancy recently in regard to the rent control. It is within the city of LA. Thank you 


 I believe the span is 15 years so date should be 2005. 

My view is neither your primary unit or the ADU should be rent controlled until 15 years after the ADU received certificate of occupancy. This derives from the rationale of the 15 year exemption. However many jurisdictions apply rent control to the primary if it is older than 15 years old. I believe this to be contrary to the rationale of the 15 year exemption.

To summarize, your JADU should not be rent controlled due to 15 year exemption.  Many jurisdictions will rent control the primary if it is older than 15 years older.  

Ideally this is research you perform as part of your underwriting when deciding to build the JADU.   Between the owner occupancy requirement of JADU, the lack of value added by a JADU, and it often making primary unit rent controlled, the JADU typically is a poor investment.  

Good luck.  

Thank you and to me Costa Hawkins applies because we have a certificate of occupancy that has been issued 2 years ago. We are being told by the city that the fact that it is a converted garage, the Costa Hawkins does not apply. So are we taking the CofO or the conversion to know which apply ? 

Hello, who is knowledgeable about the application (or not) of the Costa Hawkins Act on an attached JADU converted garage that received a certificate of occupancy recently in regard to the rent control. It is within the city of LA. Thank you 

@Oscar Miguel did you ever get an answer on that ? Thank you 

Post: Looking for a lender

Stephanie W.Posted
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Hi, we are looking for a lender to unlock the amazing potential of our current portfolio. Various income stream (employments, disability and rental income) and lost of equity in the property. We want to grow our real estate portfolio and plan properly for the future. Thank you 

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@Michael Bishay ok, so this is a question that won't be too much different than other "non-section 8" questions.  

Generally speaking, we would encourage you to screen your tenants - whether they are section 8 or not.

We would encourage you to collect a deposit - whether they are section 8 or not.

A tenant can certainly be a "good" tenant or a "bad" tenant - whether they are section 8 or not.

Now, if you are targeting lower valued homes...there are "pros" and "cons" to doing that - whether you are renting to section 8 or not.  

So some of these things are universal questions.  The TRUE differences to know about renting to section 8:

1. Your home has to pass an inspection - the inspection isn't difficult and you can reach out to The Housing Authority of the City of Charleston to see the specifics on it.

2. Your rents are always on time - at least, the portion that is covered by Section 8.  Section 8 can provide someone with a "partial" amount.  So they would cover part and then your tenant would cover the rest.  The portion covered by Section 8 is always on time.

3. Higher Rents? - Sometimes you can even charge MORE for this type of rent. The more bedrooms, the more you can charge. Check out this HUD website HERE for more information on it.

Now some people might say "Section 8 tenants are more risky"...but that is NOT the case.  An UNSCREENED tenant is more risky.  For Section 8, if they damage your property they will LOSE their Section 8 money.  And Section 8 isn't really bringing out more vouchers right now.  So there is a big incentive to make sure that they are good tenants with you - or else they are out entirely.

I hope all of this makes sense how I am describing it.  Feel free to ask anything additional if you need.  Thanks!

Thank you so much.  Sorry for the late reply, we just had a baby! Do you have any recommendations to what the screening process is like?  Im assuming Credit score, full background check and eviction.  Anything else? 

 If you are working with section 8 voucher’s recipient they most likely not the greatest profile on paper. The sell that  non-profit agencies do is that there is on-going support for these recipients to improve their credit. Again section 8 recipient are supposed to have high barriers to housing such as a permanent disability or something else. Suggestion: meet with the tenant and their case manager. You get a sense of the person. Btw im speaking from experience in Los Angeles CA. 

Post: Section 8 Investment

Stephanie W.Posted
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Hi, i work in the non-profit world in Los Angeles CA and just rented to a tenant who has a Housing Choice Voucher (new name for section 8 voucher). We screened carefully and it is going well, the process with the Public Housing Authority (PHA) was smooth. There is such a need that they provide landlord incentives. Let me know if you need more information. 

Post: California CPA Recommendation Request

Stephanie W.Posted
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@Ryan Russel hi did you find a good CPA? We are also building another ADU. Thank you

@Zach Wain it is a primary residence and no other mortgage 

are they still going to look at income when the money will go toward a rental property ?