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All Forum Posts by: Stephanie Moran

Stephanie Moran has started 1 posts and replied 24 times.

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Holden McCord:

@Stephanie Moran

Thanks for sharing your story. I now know to watch out for this when I get started.

Hi there Holden! I truly hope that at least one person gains something from my experience. I was just telling my sister-in-law today, this was a lesson learned, thankfully I’m only going to be about 12k-14k over budget, but luckily with everything completely redone. I will never, ever, ever NOT do my homework beforehand. In my slight defense, it’s my first time, I was super nervous, and felt so absolutely intimidated (the fact that this guy and I didn’t even click whatsoever was a red flag). My new contractor has already gotten so much done in 2 wks, and is going above and beyond for me, probably because he feels bad that I was such an idiot. But, he’s so easy to talk to and he answers my questions, listens to me, asks for my opinion but then gently gives his professional suggestions, it’s just awesome. Today for example, he came by to pick up a payment, but stuck around to measure some things for me, give ideas, go over his tasks for tomorrow, and then we just chatted about real estate and rentals for almost an hour. I get that not everyone is that chatty, but it makes a difference when someone knows what they are doing and are willing to teach someone who doesn’t know crap about their craft. 

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @John Teachout:

You've received a lot of suggestions to resolve your issue. I have a different take on things. Based on something you stated early on that you feel he actually owes YOU money due to not keeping schedule, staining floor when you didn't want him to, rework required, etc. I would go on the offense and let him know that you are going to pursue reimbursement for: x, x, and x. My guess is that he'll "disappear" and you'll not be hearing from him again.

 Hi there, thanks for your reply! Attorney shared the same mind as you—create a list of everything done incorrectly, the cost to fix it, provide plenty of photos and video—all of which I have plenty of. Already contacted the CA state license board and was instructed to not speak to him at all, file the complaint and they will take care of it from here. Not sure if attorney plans on anything but will find out tomorrow.

Yes, we had a contract that I typed out and we both signed. However, this person essentially walked off the job by texting me that the following day would be his last, his work was complete, and wanted to be paid immediately. Um, sorry, doesn’t work like that for me. 

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

@Emily Di thanks so much for your reply and great suggestions, they all seem completely brilliant and feasible! Will speak to attorney this wknd. And noting your suggestions for future work.

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

@Tanner Marsey thanks for the tough love. I take accountability for my lack of homework up front. While this person has already made 7k cash + 2k gift card that I’m really not sure how the money was utilized (he has the receipts), he basically walked off the job and left several things unfinished or undone and they have now been completed and paid for. Unless he takes me to court and wins, at this point I do not plan on paying him.

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Dan H.:

@Stephanie Moran

>(However i may cave and track down a really scary guy—oak park, meadowview, mozzy type lol) 

I realize you indicate LOL but I wanted to emphasize not to do this.  It could escalate real fast into something real bad.  

A local sports newscaster had a beef with his painter.  The newscaster got shot I believe 11 times.  This was for less than $3k in dispute.  Miraculously, the news caster survived by a lot of luck.  There was a law enforcement officer in the area who heard the shots and went to investigate.  The officer knew the newscaster.  The newscaster was still conscious and told the officer the assailant had fled.  Without this information, they would have locked down the area prior to rescue service.

Assailant was convicted of attempted murder and two unrelated making criminal threats charges.

Do not assume everyone is stable.

Good luck

 I was 100% kidding, I’d never do such a thing.

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Brian Ploszay:

My advice is probably contrary to most on this thread.  Pay him, make him go away.  Better yet, have your attorney negotiate a settlement, giving him a material portion of what he claims he is owed.  

 Brian, I respect your suggestion, especially since it’s completely opposite of the popular vote within this thread thus far. Philosophically, I agree with you. However, do you think that even though there are actual tasks that were not even started, plus all of the corrections, plus going over the promised date of completion—that he is entitled to some monetary payment? 

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9

 Elliott, a scary buddy would have been my first option, but I just am so embarrassed to even involve anyone else. I’m no major feminist or anything, but I just feel like this guy had zero respect from day one because I’m a female, and now he thinks he will strong arm me into paying him? No. From the get-go I must admit I was really intimidated because this isn’t my world and I know a little but not enough, and so I kept quiet. I was nice about my first complaints, I kept it polite. Thanks to the new contractor, some conversations I’ve had in person with diff people and this community, I feel totally empowered and i just feel like my words should be enough. (However i may cave and track down a really scary guy—oak park, meadowview, mozzy type  lol) 

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Todd Rasmussen:
Originally posted by @Stephanie Moran:
Originally posted by @Todd Rasmussen:

@Stephanie Moran

What things needed to be corrected by the new contractor? What things were left undone?

I wouldn't show him all the documentation and photos right now. If he takes you to court, that's like sitting down to a game of poker where the other person has seen your cards. Just give him a list of the things he failed to do, or the things that he did wrong that you had to have redone and give him a number that you think he owes you.

Additionally in the letter, include a clause advising him that he is unwelcome to ever return to that or any other property owned by you. (This will help if he ever shows up at the house as you can prove he has been previously advised regarding 602(l) of the penal code (trespass).

Also, if you ever get to court, I'm guessing his claim will be thrown out immediately because he is unlicensed and you will get a chance at a counter claim.

Make sure you are reasonable in what you calculate your damages at. 20 days is not an unusual delay for any type of construction work and if your contract with him didn't have liquidated damages listed, I doubt you can get reimbursed on a per day basis.

What was the total original contract amount?

 Hi Todd, I appreciate your time in listing out your suggestions, including the PC for trespassing. 

The original contract was for $10,000. Plus, a HD giftcard with $2,000 for materials. I purchased all the large items: windows, flooring, appliances. He was paid 1/3 cash before beginning, plus the gift card for expenses. The major jobs were itemized on the contract and it was noted that all the miscellaneous details would be included. For example, the first major job was painting the entire interior for $3,000. It took over 3 wks plus it had to get redone because he didn’t sand the walls the first time. So 5-gallons of paint turned into 10-gallons. But, the job was done 90% satisfactorily, which that first payment covered. 

Then there is the deck, Itemized at $2,200, has been paid because by the time the interior paint was done, I gave him a CC for another $3,333. According to him the deck only needed some band-o/caulking, and patching up any holes in wood, plus paint. He didn’t fix more than 8ft of about 200sq ft of deck. And he used a spray gun to paint it and asked me to purchase 10-gallons of paint because the $2,000 gift card had run out. The paint job was a total mess, there is paint sprayed over the siding of both adjacent houses, and then back side wasn’t painted. The cost to fix everything he didn’t do plus what he didn’t even know to fix because he isn’t licensed, is $4,000, and is being worked on as I type this. 

we signed a start date of 09/10/19 and an end date of 10/10/19, he left the job or stated it was complete on 10/29 and 10/30, respectively. 

So all in all, he wants the third installment which would be $3,333. Pricing all the mistakes, everything that is going to be redone, including the flooring which he messed up and still worked on after I told him not to touch it anymore—he ended up deciding to go out with a bang and stained my original wood floors with red oak. Plus we did a little addition of $75/day for the 20 days he went over since this property is meant to be rented out. 

Per the neighbor who is a recluse, he’d show up alone everyday at 10am, 11am, sometimes noon, sometimes not at all, and while we didn’t set an agreed daily schedule, I’m sure his lax daily schedule contributed to going over by 20 days. 

thanks again for your input, just typing all this out is really stress-relieving! 

 Thanks for clarifying everything. For my 9-5, I work for a contactor so might have been bias but I had some doubts from your initial posts.

So it sounds like you've paid $6,666 to the original guy plus $2,000 in direct purchase materials (kinda) and have paid $4,000 to finish/fix the original contract amount so I'm team stephanie.

Sounds like you made a quick recovery and your direct cost of this lesson is going to be pretty reasonable all things considered. Thanks for sharing, important to share the negatives as well. 

 Todd, thank you for holding me accountable and judging fairly. I genuinely went into this entire process with the best intentions, but of course without wanting to spend a ton, and certainly with zero desire to screw anyone out of their livelihood. 

I think this original contractor is officially being unreasonable and honestly, he’s looking to get himself in trouble. I live near the state licensing board and thanks to everyone here on BP, I went this morning to pick up reading material and a complaint form to fill out. 

From here on out, I don’t foresee myself ever trying to cut corners again and certainly never again hiring an unlicensed worker, or at least one who isn’t being supervised by a professional.  

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Bjorn Ahlblad:

@Stephanie Moran Love your line "basically the contractor has become like a crazy ex"! You are getting great advise. All the best! BTW most of us have made bigger rookie blunders, so don't fret.

Bjorn, haha! It really has become similar to a crazy ex situation—when one party is just not over things and the other plays the ignore game meanwhile the hurt party thinks the other is playing hard to get and just won’t let up haha. I’ve been on both sides before as the crazy and the ghosting party. Being totally ignored is maddening lol.  

Post: Made My First Rookie Mistake

Stephanie MoranPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • DALY CITY, CA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 9
Originally posted by @Ola Dantis:

@Stephanie Moran Not to worry many investors have made worse mistakes. Try not to beat yourself up too much. 

In this situation, the best thing to do is to face the situation head-on and not to dodge text messages. 

Most of these guys may not even have email addresses, but if he does, then send him a strong-worded letter and tell him straight: you are not paying him a penny!

Remind him that you had to spend more money to fix his mess and that you are in talks with lawyers and you do not want to go the court route, but you are very equipped with photos and documents. His choice, you guys path ways OR you do it the hard way of going to court. 

You could send a text as well. 

This should do the trick. It's all part of the story! REI is fascinating...!

 Thank you Ola for your wise words, I am trying to come up with a quick, to the point, succinct text message I could send him to get the message across and not invite any further conversation.