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All Forum Posts by: Kelley Roberts

Kelley Roberts has started 2 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: To Master Lease Option or not to Master Lease Option

Kelley RobertsPosted
  • SFR Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 8

@Logan Hicks There is a landscaping cost of $475/mo factored into the maintenance and repairs. We have almost no rain except during the monsoon. We plant Xeroscape stuff like rocks instead! LOL! So landscaping costs are much lower than in your area I'm sure.  This is Southern AZ we do not have a an expense for snow removal and if we do its like once ever 10 years. If we ever do get snow it rarely sticks and melts by the time the sun comes up in the morning.

Post: To Master Lease Option or not to Master Lease Option

Kelley RobertsPosted
  • SFR Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 8

I'm looking at a deal where the seller is anxious to sell a 38 unit apartment complex. They bought it for cash in 2005 for $1,675,000. Here are the current numbers.

Asking Price $1,411,000. The normal Cap Rate for the area is 7-8%.

Gross Rental Income (Total Monthly x 12) $265,632.00
Subtract Vacancy Rate (15%) $39,844.80
Net Rental Income $225,787.20
Other Income (Laundry) $5,021.00
Total Gross Income $230,808.20
Total Annual Operating Expenses $178,911.00
Net Operating Income (NOI) $51,897.20

You probably already see a problem with the asking price based on the NOI. Here is the thing though. The rents are a little on the low side at $465 for 1 br x 9 and $619 for 2 br x 19. The normal rent for a 1 br in the area are $645 for 1 br and $750 for a 2 br. The biggest problem is the expenses. The owner has his book keeper for his storage business do the books. She was friends with the offsite maintenance man at another property management company. She pays this guy about $74,000 per year to do maintenance and turn over repairs. Then there is an onsite maintenance person who get free rent and utilities for another $8388/year. Then they have a property manager who is onsite 3 days a week for a few hours another $24,000/year. Just these three people take down over $114,000/year.

Annual Operating Expenses
Real Estate Taxes $14,650.00
Insurance $6,874.00
Water and Sewer $18,171.00
Snow Removal $0.00
Trash Removal (ROT $60 x 12) $3,768.00
Electric $10,594.00
Gas $9,803.00
Oil $0.00
Legal (rule of thumb) $500.00
Management Fees 10% $0.00
Repairs and Maintenance $49,329.00
Other (Turn Costs + Onsite) $41,222.00
Other (Onsite Manager) $24,000.00
Total Annual Operating Expense $178,911.00

I'm thinking this is a pretty easy fix. If I can get a Master Lease Option on the property I'll immediately fire the offsite maintenance man. Then fire the property manager and replace the onsite maintenance guy soon after. Those changes alone and reducing the high vacancy rate to around 5% will increase the NOI to nearly $140,000. This includes paying a management company 10% and another maintenance company around 10%. What are your thoughts?

Total Gross Income
Gross Rental Income (Total Monthly x 12) $265,632.00
Subtract Vacancy Rate (5%) $13,281.60
Net Rental Income $252,350.40
Other Income (Laundry) $5,021.00
Total Gross Income $257,371.40
Total Annual Operating Expenses $117,486.40
Net Operating Income (NOI) $139,885.00

Post: Convert personal property to LLC?

Kelley RobertsPosted
  • SFR Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 8

I've also heard of creating an S-Corp and making it your management company. You don't pay the management company and you have it put a lien on all your property for the value of the property. Then if you have a tenant who wants to go after the LLC that owns each property and actually win a lawsuit they will have another lien on the property from the S-Corp that they will have to payoff before they can take anything. Does anyone have experience with this and know more about how it works?