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All Forum Posts by: Stanley Bronstein

Stanley Bronstein has started 6 posts and replied 515 times.

Post: Must have relationships ?

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Curtis Sharpe Absolutely. In my opinion, a good lawyer and a good inspector are essential.

Post: Real Estate Agent forming an LLC w/ S-Corp Status

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Matthew Shay I'm not licensed in New York, but I can tell you from my experiences in both Texas and Arizona that there are usually state specific real estate licensing requirements for registering your LLC with your state board and getting it licensed. For example, in Arizona, you have to form an LLC that is in-state and that specifically limits its activities to real estate brokerage and there are name requirements and ownership requirements.

With all that said and done, you are in New York and I am NOT familiar with the state requirements and if you're in New York City, there might even be city filing requirements as well. I wish I could be more helpful, but I can't.

This is the kind of thing that needs to be done properly, from the beginning, and I highly recommend you get someone licensed in New York to help you do it properly. If you don't set things up properly in the beginning, problems can mushroom and grow over time.

Post: Looking for multifamily broker(s) in the Phoenix market

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Account Closed I have a funny story about a wrap back in Texas. Many years ago, I sold one of my father's rental houses (he had already passed away) and took back Seller Financing. I then routinely monitored the onlin property tax records each year to make sure the taxes were paid and lo and behold, I discovered the property had been transferred without our consent.

I then contacted the Buyer and told him he has 30 days to pay us off. It wasn't a really large note and instead of arguing, he just paid us off.

Here's the funny part.

My brothers and I took a portion of the payoff and used it to pay for the rehearsal dinner at my wedding, since my father wasn't there to do it (grin) ...

Post: Looking for multifamily broker(s) in the Phoenix market

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Account Closed Yes, I am licensed in both Arizona and Texas.  I generally do NOT do Subject Tos or Wraps, as I find that in most circumstances, they are violating the Due on Sale clauses that are usually in the loan docs. I know that many lenders don't call loans over a Due on Sale clause as long as the loan is not in default, but I have seen it happen.

Plus what happens if the original borrower (the Seller in this case) decides to keep your money and stop paying on the loan? That can be an ugly situation.

For those reasons, I generally don't do them and I almost always recommend against them.

However, if you can get the lender's permission and put appropriate escrow provisions in place to assure payment of the priority lien, then it becomes a whole other ball game.

Post: Real Estate Agent forming an LLC w/ S-Corp Status

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Matthew Shay - What @Irene Nash says is pretty spot on. The biggest problem with electing S Corp status is the complexity. In order to take advantage of potential tax savings, you have to essentially put yourself on payroll, cut yourself payroll checks, make payroll tax deposits, and file quarterly payroll tax returns.

The payroll tax savings is because you start paying yourself what's known as a Reasonable Salary, and your S Corp retains the rest as earnings.  You only pay social security and medicare on the Reasonable Salary portion, but not on the earnings of the business.  You pay income tax on both.

Plus, it's an area where the IRS is very audit sensitive. If you try to go too far and do too much and say that too little (or none) of your earnings are salary, you potentially open yourself up to being on the losing side of an audit.  There are some leading IRS cases from several years back where doctors and their CPA got nailed to the wall over this.  If you get audited, the IRS is going to ask you for documentation as to how you determined what portion of your earnings should be classified as Reasonable Salary.  The burden of proof will be on you, the taxpayer, to justify what you did.

On the flip side, if you do a LLC, you pay social security and medicare on ALL of your income, BUT you don't have to put yourself on payroll, you don't have to file payroll tax returns and you don't have to worry about audit issues over your salary.

As for when it starts to make sense - Yes, it starts to make sense at $50,000, but the savings still aren't all that large until you get up around $100,000 or so.  Basically, you're saving roughly 15.3% on any amounts you are able to take as earnings of the S Corp, as opposed to them being classified as salary.

Here's a rough example: Say you got $50,000 in net income after expenses from your real estate activities as an agent.

If you're a LLC, you'll pay $7,650 ($50,000 at 15.3%) for social security and medicare.

If you're an S Corp, you might be able to say $30,000 or so is salary and you'll pay $4,950 ($30,000 x 15.3%) for social security and medicare.  If you want to be more conservative and say $40,000 was salary, then you'd pay $6,120 ($40,000 x 15.3% for social security and medicare.  Generally, the more conservative you are, the less audit risk you have.

So you can potentially $1,530 to $2,700 in my example.

To get that savings, you have to fill out a lot of paperwork yourself, or pay your CPA to do it for you.  Your savings quickly evaporate if you have to pay someone else to do all the paperwork.

Now if you start making $100,000 or more, the savings can begin to grow larger (but the audit risk grows as well).

Post: S-Corporation Tax Scenarios

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Eamonn McElroy  Bingo !  Sounds like we have the same clients (grin) ...

Post: Working With Real Estate Agents and Protecting Deals

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Will Kaufmann As a fellow attorney, you already know that attorneys usually don't work for free and they have bills to pay and they need to eat. Likewise, real estate agents shouldn't work for free either and they have bills to pay and they need to eat.  As @Greg Fitch suggested, I would find a knowledgeable real estate agent and see if you can pay them an agreed upon fee to provide you the information you are seeking.

Post: LLC on deed but not on loan, can LLC claim mortgage interest

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Dennis Tan You need to be very careful here. I strongly suspect (without even seeing your loan docs on your personal loan), that transferring it to your LLC might trigger a due on sale clause and the bank could call your loan, if they ever found out. I've had countless clients over the years ask me to assist them with transferring the property from their personal name into an LLC and the first questions I ask are:

1) Is there a lender?

2) If so, did you get the written permission of your lender?

The conversation usually doesn't go much further than that ...

Post: S-Corporation Tax Scenarios

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Eamonn McElroy I agree with you. S Corps aren't for everyone. I always ask clients how much paperwork they fill like filling out.  S Corps, as you know, require a lot more administrative work. Some clients are happy to fill out an endless amount of paper is it saves them $5 in taxes.  I have others who don't want to mess with the extra paperwork unless it saves them a lot more than $5.

Post: Looking for multifamily broker(s) in the Phoenix market

Stanley BronsteinPosted
  • Attorney, CPA, Broker & Author
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 532
  • Votes 488

@Sam M. Send me a message through the system. We do multi-family brokerage work in this area and might be able to assist you.