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All Forum Posts by: Sophie Wang

Sophie Wang has started 7 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: How do you prepare for a property tax sale? (Tax Liens)

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Will Sifert:
Originally posted by @Sophie Wang:
Originally posted by @Will Sifert:

I needed to take a little break. I have been spending hours preparing for a tax sale that will be held this Wednesday. I was wondering how does everyone else prepare?

I wait till the last notice has been published giving the updated list of properties for the tax sale. This typically gives me 2-3 weeks, however this time the notice ran late and I have been cramming since last Friday.

1. First step, I read the list of properties and remove the obvious properties that do not fit my investment strategy.  

2. I do a quick title search on every property.  I can use that to identify which properties I am interested in and which ones to avoid.

3. I have my real estate license so I check each property in the mls to review it's history.  

4. I use google my maps to pin each location on the map and do an initial street view look.

(Each step above I am making my list smaller.)

5. Next, once I have filtered it to this point then I drive by each property and take a current photo and add it to google my maps. Make observations about the condition of the home. Look to see if there is electricity to the house, any notices on the door, etc.

6. I only bid in areas where I am familiar with the neighborhoods and property values, but I do check the MLS for new data from comps over the last year.

7. Lastly, I then evaluate each property and make a list of the ones I would like to bid on.

How do you prepare, any suggestions on what I may have missed?  My process has evolved over the last 10+ years. It is a lot of work, but I avoid stupid mistakes that I made when I was first starting off.

Thanks for sharing your process @Will Sifert. I did not do title search before auctions, and I think I should incorporate that in my search. The counties I deal with usually have 2000+ items, and I am interested in the residential houses, so my first step is to eliminate non-residential, then look at the assessed value and eliminate the too highs ( which is more likely to redeem), and the too lows. Also in the driveby I eliminate the ones that have visible foundation issue/trees too close to house, and the ones look good. The ones have some deferred maintenance but not terribly bad seem to be in the sweet spot, they have a better chance not to be redeemed, also when you get the deed, they are not money pit to repair 

Sounds similar to what I do.  I use to shy away from the ones that were real bad. I got this house one time, it was gutted to the studs, owner started to do a few improvements but passed away. His heirs paid the taxes for a few years and kept up with the outside, then just stopped paying. I had to pay for some debris to be removed and to keep up with the grass being cut. Neighbors complained about the trees and weeds  that were getting out of hand. It cost some money getting everything done to keep the neighbors at bay.  I was about 8K in when the redemption period expired. I was really worried it would be a tear down and the value of the land was only 20K. After cost of demo, I was going to lose money plus I still had the legal costs to do the suit to quiet title. I really really tried to get the owner to respond back to me in hopes they would redeem so I could get my taxes and interest back. They did not. I quieted title and sold it for 40K. Once I pulled comps from a few other "poor condition" similar fixer upper properties that sold, I was shocked to see what they were going for. I had it listed and it sold. I did go through a few buyers because of how hard it was to get someone to write title insurance but ultimately it sold. Now I never under estimate the houses in poor shape. I'll take deals like that all day long. It can get a little risky, if it is too bad off and it ends up being demolished you want to make sure the land values are enough that you wont take too big of a hit. 

You are right, if the land value is more than lien cost plus fees to foreclose plus quiet title action, it is probably safe to bid on it knowing at least all cost will be recouped. But just curious, why was it still hard to get title insurance on the property you mentioned, after you had already done the quiet title action? I thought quiet title action should have cleared the title?

Post: How do you prepare for a property tax sale? (Tax Liens)

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Will Sifert:

I needed to take a little break. I have been spending hours preparing for a tax sale that will be held this Wednesday. I was wondering how does everyone else prepare?

I wait till the last notice has been published giving the updated list of properties for the tax sale. This typically gives me 2-3 weeks, however this time the notice ran late and I have been cramming since last Friday.

1. First step, I read the list of properties and remove the obvious properties that do not fit my investment strategy.  

2. I do a quick title search on every property.  I can use that to identify which properties I am interested in and which ones to avoid.

3. I have my real estate license so I check each property in the mls to review it's history.  

4. I use google my maps to pin each location on the map and do an initial street view look.

(Each step above I am making my list smaller.)

5. Next, once I have filtered it to this point then I drive by each property and take a current photo and add it to google my maps. Make observations about the condition of the home. Look to see if there is electricity to the house, any notices on the door, etc.

6. I only bid in areas where I am familiar with the neighborhoods and property values, but I do check the MLS for new data from comps over the last year.

7. Lastly, I then evaluate each property and make a list of the ones I would like to bid on.

How do you prepare, any suggestions on what I may have missed?  My process has evolved over the last 10+ years. It is a lot of work, but I avoid stupid mistakes that I made when I was first starting off.

Thanks for sharing your process @Will Sifert. I did not do title search before auctions, and I think I should incorporate that in my search. The counties I deal with usually have 2000+ items, and I am interested in the residential houses, so my first step is to eliminate non-residential, then look at the assessed value and eliminate the too highs ( which is more likely to redeem), and the too lows. Also in the driveby I eliminate the ones that have visible foundation issue/trees too close to house, and the ones look good. The ones have some deferred maintenance but not terribly bad seem to be in the sweet spot, they have a better chance not to be redeemed, also when you get the deed, they are not money pit to repair 

Post: Indiana tax lien sale question

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Post: Indiana tax lien sale question

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Hey guys,

I have been investing in tax liens in AZ, CO and FL, this year I am looking into Indiana, but it seems things are very different in IN and I am a bit confused. 

First, the types of the auctions. I looked at SRI and ZeusAuction, and saw multiple terms/auctions, like "certificate sale", "deed sale", "Sherriff sale", "Tax sale", "foreclosure sale". I thought Indiana is a tax lien State, then what is the "deed sale"? Also are "sheriff sale" and "foreclosure sale" the same thing, which is when the mortgage is behind? Or is "sheriff sale" for judgement?


Second, minimum bid/face amount vs the amount of taxes behind.  For example, a property in tax sale in LaPort County, the face amount to bid is $100.00, but when I looked at the county record for this property, it shows 2020 tax due 2021 is $6194.88, 2019 due is $6194.88, 2018 due is $4886.88 etc ( see the screenshots for tax and evaluation history below). How does that work?

  1. 1. How can a property valued for 18k owe $6194 in tax in a year? Does the 2021 tax due include all previous years' tax behind, as in the $6194 due in 2019 include the $4886 due in 2018? Or is the $6194 for 2019 year alone?
  2. 2. If someone bid $2000 for this property and won the certificate, and if the owner does not redeem in 12 months, the certificate holder forecloses and apply for the deed, then is he/she responsible for paying all the tax behind for all previous years, in this case $6194+$6194+$4886+$3775+$2363? 


Thanks guys! If anyone can shed some light on these questions that would be great! Appreciate it!

Sophie

@Brian Eastman

Thanks Brian! That is what I thought too, that there is no limit on how many times Roth conversion can be done per year. I guess the speaker was confused...

Post: Tax lien foreclosure and then flip the house?

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
@Tracy Z. Rewey
  Thanks Tracy! Owner financing is a great idea! Other than the tax benefit it also has more income potential and makes the property easier to sell. I'll defintely look into this route!

Post: Tax lien foreclosure and then flip the house?

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Post: Tax lien foreclosure and then flip the house?

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6
@Chris SeveneyThanks Chris! I agree with you income from flipping a property is earned income. And great advice, I need to talk to a CPA!


Hey guys,

I attended a webinar the other day and heard the presenter mentioned Roth conversion can only be done once in a 12 month period when he answered someone's question. I was confused, I never heard of this rule nor can I find any information online saying that. All I know is there is a once per 12 months rule for in-direct rollover. I am very new to solo 401k, just want to see anyone heard of such a rule.

Thanks!

Sophie

Post: Tax lien foreclosure and then flip the house?

Sophie WangPosted
  • Investor
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 6

Hey guys,

I have been buying tax liens for a few years, and recently three of them passed the redemption period and I started the foreclosure process to apply for the deed. Just try to make plan here, if I do get the deeds, and then sell the property, is it considered a capital gain or earned income for tax purposes? And if I hold the property for a while before selling it, or if I fix it up and then sell it, do these change what type of tax I would pay ( long term capital gain, short term capital gain, ordinary income)?

Thanks! I'd love to hear your opinions.

Sophie