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All Forum Posts by: Terry Drake

Terry Drake has started 20 posts and replied 242 times.

Post: Realistic Volume of Lonnie Deals in a year?

Terry DrakePosted
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J Scott is right. You can make a living off of Lonnie Deals but you will have to keep turning deals because the terms are usually short and run out in a couple years. It seems like I just started with this business and have notes already paid off and some more reaching maturity it a couple months. I average 1 - 2 deals a month but I also work a full time job at a concrete batch plant.

My personal business plan has 3 parts.

Short term - generate capital with Lonnie Deals. (Have to turn deals to make money)

Mid Term - rehab single family homes to generate capital one a larger scale. (Still have to turn deals to make money)

Long term - Buy rental properties and Mobile Home Parks and have a management company manage them leaving me with passive/residual income while I'm at the beach, on a boat, or on vacation!

Post: Journey through the next (Lonnie) deal..

Terry DrakePosted
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Originally posted by Jason Robinett:
Looks like you're well on your way. Curious, how much cash did you start out with?

I just finished my first Lonnie Deal and came out OK. It was a 2/2 double wide in a 55+ park. Bought it for $4,750 and sunk another $750 into it with carpets, carpet cleaning and some paint, etc. Total invested $5500. (Looking back I could have got it for cheaper). I bought it August 16 and had it under contract August 23 contingent on park approval. Sold August 26 for $6,900, $500 down, $175 month, 48 months. Interest rate is 14%.

Like you said on your first deal, the amount I learned from this was priceless and I came out with a 28% ROI. Not great, but not bad. I priced it low because the lot rent was $775 per month (really nice 55+ park) and I didn't want to pay it.

If I were to do it again, I'd buy for less and hire someone to clean and install the carpet. I now know the cost and labor involved so it'll be easy to factor into my offer.

It'll take me a bit now to gather enough money for my next lonnie deal. I'm considereing borrowing some from my brother inlaw at a low interest rate. Time to be creative!

You've got more heart then I do jumping in to your first deal with $750/mnth lot rent!! Congrats on your first deal and an even bigger congrats on unloading that thing before lot rent came due! :)

The 1st home I did was about $2500 out of pocket all said and done then the second one was about $2k. Total out of pocket for both was $4500 - $500 down payment on the first one. Leaving a 4k hole in my pocket. Luckily I sold the second one for 4k cash which gave me working capital to take on a couple more. Bought the next one for $500 and sold it as is for $3500 cash. The most I've ever been out of pocket I think was 6k when I was working on 3 homes at once.

I try to keep my cost around 2k so I can get more deals done and recoup my money faster.

As far as creative financing goes there are a few options for you.

a) Sell your note to someone like Marc Faulkner (he's here on BP). They pay you upfront for the rights to your note. Payments would then go to him and you can move on to your second deal and forget all about the first one.

b) Borrow money from relatives, friends, or colleagues who are interested in making 10% interest on their money instead of .005% the bank offers. That should be a no brainer to them. My bank tries to get me to put money in their CD's and savings account ect. I thank them and tell them I'll invest my own money and make 200-400+% instead of let them invest my money and pay me half of 1%.

c) Get a personal loan with a local bank. Rates and terms will be different from bank to bank but your best bet is a local bank because they want to establish a relationship with you and be there for all your money needs. Not just the convenient ones like the big out of state banks. Where I do my banking offers unsecured personal loans with 12-24mnth terms with either 10 or 12% interest. 5k minimum. Better interest rate if you secure the loan with something but I like having as little skin in the game as possible.

d) There are other options out there like refinancing your house, ect but personally I think options A - C are your best bet. If anyone reading this has a creative idea that I left out, by all means please let us know!

Post: Paying Lot Rent for Your Buyers

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I've thought about it too in the beginning but then decided against it. I don't want the park getting used to taking checks with MY name on them. Then they will have their hand out any chance they get and may not screen the buyers as well because they want lot rent now and if the buyer is a bum, they know that I'll have to stroke checks for the dead beat. Right now a bad tenant is BOTH of our problems and not just mine. JM2C

Post: First deal almost done - Is it really this easy!?

Terry DrakePosted
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Lance, great job on your first deal! I wish mine went as well. You said that it will probably get a lot harder from here on out but not really. It's a pretty simple business and you seem to have a handle on it so I think you'll be surprised how well it goes. Especially once you find a good handyman!

One thing I didn't see mentioned were the terms. How much is she going to put down and what are the monthly payments? Interest rate? Do you have any pictures of the home?

Post: Am I paying too much for repairs?

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Lindsey, I've found that when I advertised on craigslist for a "handy man" with their own tools that most responses would range from $25-50/hr. When I do need a repair man I'll advertise for a "Jack of all trades" with their own tools, post what needs done, and how much I'm willing to pay.

I usually start about $12/hr and get enough replies that I have to take the ad down. I start at $12 so if the guy ends up being a clock milker I don't lose much. If he ends up being competent and gets the job done quick I'll pay him a little more. He's tickled because he's getting more then he asked for and I'm happy because I've got a happy handy man.

To paint the inside of a home usually will usually cost $200-300 for labor and $50-100 for materials.

I've also found people to clean the homes when I'm done for $50 and people that will pressure clean the outside of the home for $50.

Here is an old thread of that might be helpful. It has a few homes with before and after pictures along with labor and material break downs. http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/30/topics/49257-journey-through-the-next-lonnie-deal- There's also a couple others I think if you search.

Be sure to keep us all posted with your progress! :)

Post: What is the best tenant screening service?

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I found one that worked well for me today. Background and credit for $25 with no onsite inspection or fees. rentingauthority.com

Post: How much to pay/How much to ask?

Terry DrakePosted
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Originally posted by lanceh:
Thanks for the response Terry, I've read many of your posts and respect your opinion a lot.

That makes a lot of sense to base it more on how fast I can get my money back. How do you know what monthly payment you can charge and still sell it? I've heard to compare it to similar bedroom apartments, is this a pretty good way to go?

I do also look at CL daily, the prices vary so much, two homes built around the same time, one might be asking 7,500 and another is asking 40,000! I guess that's what I'm struggling with.

Thanks again!

Going by the rents in the area is a good start. Did you ever look at the MH in your first post? How much is the lot rent?

Post: How much to pay/How much to ask?

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The question I ask myself is "How long do I want to wait to make a profit?"

If you paid 8k for a home and sold it as is for 1k down and $250/month it would take almost 2.5 years before you even broke even on the deal. Two and a half years is a long time for things to go wrong and leave you with a home you didn't make any money on and one that needed more repairs once you get it back. Of course if you can get higher down payments and/or higher monthly payments then that's a different story. Typically I like to make my money back in 6-8 months on a MH or up to a year max if it was a juicy deal.

Keep in mind your seller is most likely going to want to sell it to you at retail when you really need to buy wholesale or below so YOU can sell at retail and make a profit.

You should also be looking at mobile homes for sale every day on craigslist to get an idea of what's moving out there and for how much.

Post: Manufactured Home Park- Good Deal?

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Hi Andrew. I think a good book for you to read would be "Mobile Home Wealth part 2". It explains how to come up with your max offer price for a mobile home park (or any commercial property for that matter) and pretty much walks you through buying a park, the paperwork, information on getting loans, ect. If you can get your hands on one thumb through it and check it out. Well worth the money IMO.

Post: Discouraged...

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Lindsey, Lonnie's books are more of a guide then a rule book. I've bought and sold MH from 1970 to 1996 being the newest and have made money on all of them. It's not a bad idea to look at all the homes in your price range regardless of age. It will be a good learning experience no matter what and a lot of older homes have been remodeled in the past.