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All Forum Posts by: Siyi Tang

Siyi Tang has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Ryan Thomson:

Hi @Siyi Tang you'll want to check with local zoning and code, but to house hack a single family home in Colorado Springs we either:

1. Convert a garage

2. build out a walkout basement

3. Split the house in two with a door separating the units. Add a kitchenette in the unit without the kitchen. 

Of course and ADU or a multifamily also work very well.

 Thank you @Ryan Thomson! Super helpful tips! We're looking for something that can be rent out right away, so your option 3 here is also what we are considering.

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Byron Valles:
Quote from @Siyi Tang:
Quote from @Tony C.:
Hi Siyi, something powerful that you can keep in the back of your mind: My understanding of California's ADU law is that it requires all municipalities to allow conversion of any single family home (SFR) garage into an ADU.

You mentioned that you're looking to house hack but don't feel comfortable having renters in your space. One option is to buy any SFR, fix up the garage as an ADU that you will occupy, and then rent the main house. Alternatively, you could rent out the garage ADU and live in the main house, depending on how much rental income you're looking for and the style of living you're comfortable with.

The reason a garage ADU is more powerful than a new detached ADU is that most SFRs in California already have garages and it's generally less expensive and faster to convert a garage than to build a detached ADU. That gives you added flexibility and speed to get into your house hack in the neighborhood you want.

There are likely to be some gotchas with which garages can easily or not so easily converted. It will be helpful to bring someone experienced with construction to help you assess that. Also, depending on your financials, your income goals, etc. you may need to go out for hard money to make this deal happen. Typically, agency (Fannie/Freddie/FHA) funding does not allow for significant construction/improvement funds in addition to funds to buy a home. However, where there is a will there is a way with financing.

If you'd like advice on construction costs and/or how to finance a deal like that, feel free to message me.

Hi Tony, thank you for the advice! Garage ADU is indeed in our radar. Our current plan is to find something we can be rent out immediately (existing ADU or a master bedroom with separate entrance), and later convert a garage into an ADU for extra rental income.

 Hi Siyi, 

Where in the Bay Area are you looking to house hack? I did something very similar to what @Jerome Morelos mentioned in the borderline of Concord and Walnut Creek. bought a SFH with a detached garage that I converted into a 450sft ADU while living in the home. When getting ready to move out to rent both sides I considered MTR and got some requests for it (it's 5 miles from John Muir Hospital) but ultimately decided LTRs since I was starting a different business venture at the same time.

Build time for the ADU was approx 7 months because my subcontractors mostly worked weekends only. I pulled owner-build permits and acted as the GC which helped me save a ton on construction costs.

Good luck!


Hi Byron, thank you for the advice! We are primarily looking in San Jose. Would like to learn more about ADU conversion from you (sent you a connection request).

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Tony C.:
Hi Siyi, something powerful that you can keep in the back of your mind: My understanding of California's ADU law is that it requires all municipalities to allow conversion of any single family home (SFR) garage into an ADU.

You mentioned that you're looking to house hack but don't feel comfortable having renters in your space. One option is to buy any SFR, fix up the garage as an ADU that you will occupy, and then rent the main house. Alternatively, you could rent out the garage ADU and live in the main house, depending on how much rental income you're looking for and the style of living you're comfortable with.

The reason a garage ADU is more powerful than a new detached ADU is that most SFRs in California already have garages and it's generally less expensive and faster to convert a garage than to build a detached ADU. That gives you added flexibility and speed to get into your house hack in the neighborhood you want.

There are likely to be some gotchas with which garages can easily or not so easily converted. It will be helpful to bring someone experienced with construction to help you assess that. Also, depending on your financials, your income goals, etc. you may need to go out for hard money to make this deal happen. Typically, agency (Fannie/Freddie/FHA) funding does not allow for significant construction/improvement funds in addition to funds to buy a home. However, where there is a will there is a way with financing.

If you'd like advice on construction costs and/or how to finance a deal like that, feel free to message me.

Hi Tony, thank you for the advice! Garage ADU is indeed in our radar. Our current plan is to find something we can be rent out immediately (existing ADU or a master bedroom with separate entrance), and later convert a garage into an ADU for extra rental income.

Post: ADU without permit

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Johnny Reber:

You should be able to search at the APN online through San Jose County to show all the permits that have been pulled on the property. It will show if a legal ADU was built. You can do that online or go to the building department. Regardless I'd say it is low risk. Continue occupany until there is a code enforcement issue, or work with an architect to get it permited, and say it was an exisitng strucutre when you purchased property. Citys are trying to increase housing, not remove stock. As look as the construction looks legitimate, I'm sure it is fine.

 @Johnny Reber thank you for the suggestions!

Post: ADU without permit

Siyi TangPosted
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Hi folks!

I've been looking for SFH with ADU deals for house hack and found that some of the ADUs are not permitted.

Would it be risky to buy a home that has an ADU without permit?

Pulling the permit may take several months, is there a way to know whether the ADU is built by code prior to purchasing the home (seller has limited information about this)?

Appreciate any input you may have! Thanks!

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

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Quote from @Bonnie Low:
Quote from @Siyi Tang:
Quote from @Bonnie Low:

We love ADUs and have evolved our business model to target properties that have a severely distressed main house and a secondary unit that can be converted to an ADU such as a detached garage, shop or studio. One of the advantages to this is that you can save a lot on the permit fees relative to the ADU build if you're working with an existing structure. Bonus if you can reuse the foundation and if it already has water and/or power to it. Lots of properties in CA already have detached units on them and CA if one of the most ADU friendly states. Not sure about San Francisco, but even nearby San Jose has a lot of parcels that have existing bonus structures that can be converted to ADUs. If your lot is big enough you can put up a fence in between so there's virtually no interaction with your tenant.This also makes it easier to rent it out as an MTR to travelers with pets. Even a postage stamp sized patio or yard can be very attractive to midterm guests.

Do you typically rent your ADU to traveling nurses? What kinds of tenants have you hosted for MTR?


 Most all of our MTR guests have been traveling medical professionals but not just nurses. We've rented to a couple of Physical Therapists, a Nurse Practitioner, an Optometrist and currently have a travel nurse and her digital nomad finacee in our 1/1 unit. That said, we have gotten inquiries from all of the following: relocations, recent divorce, bible college students, medical treatments, construction/engineering workers and seasonal forest service employees. The midterm sector is broad and growing. Not every property lends itself to each strategy, but you'd be amazed at all the various reasons people are looking for midterm stays!

 Thanks for sharing! Glad to see that there are many target audience for MTR!

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @David Liu:
Quote from @Siyi Tang:

My partner and I plan to buy a home (single family or duplex) and house hack. We are not comfortable with sharing rooms with the tenant, so a separate entrance such as an ADU would be ideal. We are considering purchasing a home with an ADU, but also looking for other options.

Fellow investors, what creative strategies have you done for house hack? What would you recommend for an expensive market like the bay area?


Hi Siyi, I second the MTR route for the ADU. Much better cashflow than LTR. 1.5X rent usually. check furnishedfinder.com for a quick idea on how much an ADU can rent for to travelling nurses in the area you are buying the ADU + House.


 Thank you for the suggestion! Will check out furnishedfinder.com

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Bonnie Low:

We love ADUs and have evolved our business model to target properties that have a severely distressed main house and a secondary unit that can be converted to an ADU such as a detached garage, shop or studio. One of the advantages to this is that you can save a lot on the permit fees relative to the ADU build if you're working with an existing structure. Bonus if you can reuse the foundation and if it already has water and/or power to it. Lots of properties in CA already have detached units on them and CA if one of the most ADU friendly states. Not sure about San Francisco, but even nearby San Jose has a lot of parcels that have existing bonus structures that can be converted to ADUs. If your lot is big enough you can put up a fence in between so there's virtually no interaction with your tenant.This also makes it easier to rent it out as an MTR to travelers with pets. Even a postage stamp sized patio or yard can be very attractive to midterm guests.

Do you typically rent your ADU to traveling nurses? What kinds of tenants have you hosted for MTR?

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Jake Andronico:

@Siyi Tang

Congrats!! Powerful strategy. I've done it twice just over the hill in Reno, NV and it has changed my life already. 

If you need complete separation from your tenants, it does limit your options. 

Zillow is a powerful search tool and you can weed out properties that won't fit your criteria. 

If you search "ADU", "in-law", "separate entrance", etc. it will find all MLS listing descriptions that have that language provided by the listing agent.

It narrows your focus. Hopefully this helps, and best of luck to you!!


 Thank you for the tips!

Post: Creative strategies for house hacking

Siyi TangPosted
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Quote from @Jerome Morelos:

@Andy Pham I used a 5% conventional loan. I actually converted the detached garage into an ADU while living in the main home. Then after 1 year I moved out and rented the Main home as a LTR and the DADU as an MTR, which significantly increased my cash flow. Depending on your market, I'm getting 40-50% more cash flow renting as an MTR compared to LTR.


 How long did your garage conversion take? I'm concerned that there will be a long gap before getting any rental income.