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All Forum Posts by: Grey Stone

Grey Stone has started 5 posts and replied 108 times.

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Greg M.:
Originally posted by @Grey Stone:

This is for an older home with approx 1,300 sqft and 1 bathroom with 6 people living in it. [...] She says it is not adequate for their family size. 

I would let her know that she is correct, the water heater is too small for her family size, but it is fine for the size of the house. 

Of course, expect the tenant to leave at the end of the lease.

 That's fair. Thanks!

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Tracy Streich:

@Grey StoneThat is plenty for a 1 bath place.   Tell them you cannot change it out and they are free to move it helps them out.   Maybe they will just go.  

Good idea. Thanks

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Renee Casey:

I have 3 to 4 bedroom homes with a 40 gal tank and we don't have any issues. It's RARE for a property to have a 50 gal tank.

That's very helpful. Thanks!

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Kyle J.:

@Grey Stone  The size of the family is not the ONLY thing to take into consideration.  It's also HOW and WHEN they use the hot water.  50 gallons could be more than adequate if they space out their showers.  Or 50 gallons (or even possibly a larger size) could be completely inadequate if they all try to take showers one right after the other while running a load of laundry and the dishwasher at the same time.  See my point?

The way I see it, you've already upgraded and doubled the size of the water heater once.  They now have some ability (and responsibility) to control HOW and WHEN they use the hot water that would make this water heater work for their needs.  Consequently, I personally would not put in another new water heater.  

Even if you did put in a larger water heater, there's no guarantee that they wouldn't still use it in a manner that would put you right back in this same position (them complaining about a lack of available hot water when they need/want it on demand).  So, to me, it's just not something I'd be willing to do.  

Perhaps they just won't be happy in this property and for BOTH of your sanity it's best to part ways and offer to let them out of their lease (if there is one).  However, advise that that if they stay it will be with the knowledge that you will not be replacing the water heater.

Just my two cents. Good luck. 

 This is exactly how I feel. She even said in email that they were not able to take showers, do the laundry and run the dishwasher within the hour. Yes, within the hour. I feel like a reasonable person would just wait and I was looking online to find the laws of determining what is "adequate". Unfortunately, I haven't had much luck. I really just want her to leave. I feel whenever tenants complain a lot, they really don't want to be there and I don't want to force them.

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Jason Merchey:

Sheesh, fifty gallons of hot water is no small amount. What does one shower take, 25 maybe? Do they have it turned up past the little "recommended" setting so that the water is very hot, which means there would be less needed to warm water up to like 150 degrees. If this doesn't do it, I would say the odds are a) it's defective, b) they are trying to get your goat, or c) they really need a regular flow shower head.

That's a good idea, I didn't think about checking the heat setting. Thanks!

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Renee Casey:

Does your lease have a per bedroom occupancy limit? That is a lot of people in a 1 bedroom. A 50 gal hot water tank is a SUFFICIENT tank! I don't think you are being unreasonable by not wanting to replace the tank. Normal tank is 40 gal for the properties we manage. 

Yes, 2 people per bedroom max. How many bedrooms do the homes with a 40 gal tank have? Thanks for your insight. 

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Julie Hartman:

I think the only way to alleviate the issue would be to install an on-demand system but that would cost $$$$. With that said, if the current unit is working then no reason to replace it. 

Yup, it's working and was newly installed. I really didn't want to replace it, it was expensive the first time around.

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Jill F.:

That's a lot of people for a one bedroom. For an apartment that size 40 gallon should be adequate for that size APARTMENT. Most of my two bedrooms have 40 gallon tanks which is usually fine for the 3-4 people you usually have in a two bedroom. The fact that they've decided to cram that many people into a one bedroom is the bigger problem, that's a lot of wear and tear on your property. Does the building code where you are have some sort of occupancy limit? I would not replace the tank, I would non-renew as soon as covid is done and only offer to continue m2m if their lease expires before the eviction moratorium ends.

Oops, it's a 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom home.  Yes, it's rented with the Housing Authority (which I normally love working with) and they allow 2 people per room. I'm planning on just canceling the contract after it expires, but that's another 7 months...just wanted to make sure I wasn't being unreasonable or treating her unfairly. Thanks!

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Originally posted by @Jill F.:

That's a lot of people for a one bedroom. For an apartment that size 40 gallon should be adequate for that size APARTMENT. Most of my two bedrooms have 40 gallon tanks which is usually fine for the 3-4 people you usually have in a two bedroom. The fact that they've decided to cram that many people into a one bedroom is the bigger problem, that's a lot of wear and tear on your property. Does the building code where you are have some sort of occupancy limit? I would not replace the tank, I would non-renew as soon as covid is done and only offer to continue m2m if their lease expires before the eviction moratorium ends.

Oops, I meant 3 bedroom and 1 bathroom. 

Post: Should I replace the water heater?

Grey StonePosted
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Tenant keeps making complaints and is annoying the crap out of me. This is for an older home with approx 1,300 sqft and 1 bathroom with 6 people living in it. When I bought the home it had a 25 gal water heater and we upgraded it to a 50 gallon water heater. And now the tenant is requesting a bigger one. She says it is not adequate for their family size. I'm not sure if I'm being a slumlord or if I have a legitimate reason to be annoyed. Am I legally or ethically compelled to get a bigger water heater? Let me know what you think. What would you do?