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All Forum Posts by: Shawn Long

Shawn Long has started 16 posts and replied 99 times.

Post: Promissory Note Property Transfer

Shawn LongPosted
  • Investor
  • IN (indiana)
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 53
Quote from @John McDonald:

Hello,

I have a unique situation going on and was seeking extra confirmation and ideas on the current deal I'm in.

Basically the property is transferred via deed, I sign a promissory note for a set amount, and record a deed of trust. This creates a formal lien, making it a financed purchase-even though there is no cash change in hands.

Once property is appraised, I apply for a cash out refinance. As the lender sees the lien, and agrees to pay it off at closing. Looking to schedule under delayed financing exception, from the lien being recorded, paying it off at closing, and the transaction mimics a cash purchase.

Concerning the property transfer would be filed as form 709 (life time gift exception) from the current owner to me.

As well as the note is receivable, essentially they are lending me money secured by the property. So when the note is paid off via refinance, They receive principle repayment which is not taxable income correct?

Just curious if anyone has any experience with similar transactions? And if there is other things to keep in mind, thanks.


 There is typically a max value on what you are allowed to gift or be gifted. This would likely be a taxable event. I would start by getting all the information available on that. Even if it works via a "loophole" on paper the state /county and/or the lender may not accept it. Cross your T's and dot your I's on this one. Then revisit the rest of the strategy. You need to attack this like a detective, leave no stone unturned. Call and ask! Call the lender you're considering to work with and let them know upfront what your intentions are. That's the best way to avoid trouble with the refinance. The lenders requirements for refinance in a given situation are probably the most important. Call the county and ask them what happens if you gift or get gifted a property worth "$XXX". The rules are slightly and sometimes largely different by locale

Post: Help analyzing a deal

Shawn LongPosted
  • Investor
  • IN (indiana)
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Parker Stephens:

So I went and viewed this house today at and it is up for 275,000 it's been 7 days and my realtor said it will be going quick. I believe I can remodel it(it's dated). I estimate 20-30k total including a buffer. It's comparables all seem to be priced at about 320-350 when redone. However there is a house with the same bed/bath and is listed and unsold at 309k. However it's got a very unconventional layout so I think that may be the reason. How should I go about making sure I cover myself and make sure it sells. 

I've got an excel calculator to help speed up the estimations. Send me a dm and I'll send you a copy
Quote from @John Clark:
Quote from @Shawn Long:
Quote from @John Clark:

DSCR with construction escrow?


 The 2 lenders we spoke with so far are scared of the word "commercial" right now even though it's mixed use. I'm sure his bad credit doesn't help either


Why I suggest construction escrow, so he can’t rip off the money. What’s the reason for the bad credit? Medical debt is one thing. Finger to his creditors another.


 We would be happy to do construction escrow, but the conversations never really developed that far. I imagine because the town specifically is struggling with commercial and business as a whole. Bad credit actually means no credit. He's new to success and although we have done well and made money and he paid off some old credit card debt a year ago he hasn't worked on building credit and it didn't improve much. He is on a path to building credit now but we need the timeline for the project to go faster then the credit building.

Quote from @Joel Weiser:

FHA DOES allow Mixed use if it's 51% residential and the borrower will live in the property. (I closed one before). However, if it's not completely livable that can be an issue.


 I knew that! Lol. Thank you sir, it all came back to me when I read your comment

Quote from @John Clark:

DSCR with construction escrow?


 The 2 lenders we spoke with so far are scared of the word "commercial" right now even though it's mixed use. I'm sure his bad credit doesn't help either

Post: Thoughts on 100 year old properties

Shawn LongPosted
  • Investor
  • IN (indiana)
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Vincent DeLucia:
Quote from @Shawn Long:
Quote from @Vincent DeLucia:

Hi BP family,

Wondering what some your thoughts are on properties older than 100 years? I am looking at a few opportunities in the Midwest and the numbers seems to work, my biggest concern is some of them were built in the early 1900s. I have done most of my investing down in south FL, so I am used to looking at properties closer to 50-60 years or younger. 

Any feedback, advice, or thoughts would be appreciated. 


 I think the local market matters a lot here. Can you share what city/state in the midwest?


 I am mainly looking in Indianapolis and another in Cincinnati. Those are the two cities. 


 I'll 2nd Caleb, he nailed the main property concerns. Indy markets differ, not sure about Cincinnati. The most important question to ask  yourself is are these home ages typical in the area. Put yourself in a buyers shoes, if 100 yr old homes aren't the norm you made have a hard time flipping it. On the other side of the coin, if you plan on a long term buy and hold you should fix 100% of the problems immediately and that should be factored into your budget. Otherwise the property will nickel and dime you over the years. Knob & tube is always a deal breaker for me. Any excessive water damage I avoid as well. If you can get the property into perfect condition and it pencils, then go for it

Quote from @Jaycee Greene:
Quote from @Shawn Long:

(For my client) Own a mixed-use property free and clear that is currently bringing in $3,150 per month and is 40-50% occupied in central Indiana. Client has bad credit. Is there a lender out there that can help him turn $50K from equity into cash so we can finish the project? 

Also can someone tell me if a buyer can get an FHA loan on a multi-use property? Shame on me for not remembering

 Hey @Shawn Long. For a mixed-use property, FHA is not an option.

How much is the property worth currently?

Is your client doing rehab on the property in order to increase the occupancy?


 Property is worth upward of $500K. Just using the 1% rule puts it at $300K+ at the moment with half vacancy. Yes we are finishing the other units to get them occupied. We have strong, long term commercial anchor tenants in place on 5 yr escalating leases. 

The FHA question is completely unrelated. The $50K is to finish the residential units in the building

Post: Thoughts on 100 year old properties

Shawn LongPosted
  • Investor
  • IN (indiana)
  • Posts 109
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Vincent DeLucia:

Hi BP family,

Wondering what some your thoughts are on properties older than 100 years? I am looking at a few opportunities in the Midwest and the numbers seems to work, my biggest concern is some of them were built in the early 1900s. I have done most of my investing down in south FL, so I am used to looking at properties closer to 50-60 years or younger. 

Any feedback, advice, or thoughts would be appreciated. 


 I think the local market matters a lot here. Can you share what city/state in the midwest?

(For my client) Own a mixed-use property free and clear that is currently bringing in $3,150 per month and is 40-50% occupied in central Indiana. Client has bad credit. Is there a lender out there that can help him turn $50K from equity into cash so we can finish the project? 

Also can someone tell me if a buyer can get an FHA loan on a multi-use property? Shame on me for not remembering

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