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All Forum Posts by: Shawn McCarty

Shawn McCarty has started 4 posts and replied 24 times.

Post: Understanding Hard Money - Suggest A Hard Money Lender...

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2

Hello Charles,

I have thought about and exhausted all other options... hence why I am using what I consider a last resort. Any suggestions?

Post: Understanding Hard Money - Suggest A Hard Money Lender...

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2

@Stone Teran

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking somewhere in the range of about 10K like I said... then once discussions went further it seemed like things changed.

Did you get all of the money upfront?

Post: Understanding Hard Money - Suggest A Hard Money Lender...

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2

Hello,

I spoke with a hard money lender who said... "we lend based on the property, 67%, 4 points, 6-12 months, 14%"...

I say ok, I think I can come up with say 10K to get "skin in the game" which should cover the 4 points easily on the type of deal I am looking at. I move alone with the process and next I get this info...

"you must come up with 10% closing (do they charge a premium here because they can? - I have never paid 10% closing or near that on any house I have ever purchased), you must have enough money to begin interest only payments, you must have enough money to start construction before you will get any construction money"

I am accountant, so I understand numbers pretty well... on a 130K loan you're looking at about 30K out of pocket maybe more... I guess I am just not seeing that point in a hard money loan where I am coming up with 25%-35% out of pockets...

Any help, anyone?

Post: Buy & Hold

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2

@Jeff Wallace,

I completely agree I would potentially have money in my pocket. But, with that strategy how long does it take to build a portfolio... you know what I mean? Buying one buy and hold at a time... hard money refi's... again... tons of loans... long periods of building a portfolio... longer periods of having the portfolios paid off... just my outlook, once again... could be looking at it wrong.

thank you,

Shawn

Post: Buy & Hold

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Jeff Wallace:

@Shawn McCarty you might check with a couple of banks. I started out with a $50,000 line of credit from a local bank. They aren't really very hard to qualify for. I had a decent job, but no assets. If it isn't possible, go with hard money, but keep it short term or the interest costs will eat your equity FAST. Look for a program that will allow a refinance based on appraisal (not purchase price) prior to the 6 month standard. There are a few programs available.  I have used Zuess mortgage in the past. Another thing to consider is that it may be difficult to find a lender willing to write a $30-40k mortgage. Get your exit strategy paper out before you buy

 Jeff,

That's my problem... I don't understand the exist strategy... Reference my comment above about refinancing... 

Post: Buy & Hold

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Jeff Wallace:

@Shawn McCarty

What price range are you looking in? Rather than a hard money lender with high costs, have you considered/can you qualify for a personal line of credit? I use a line to buy and rehab then refinance to a traditional mortgage once the property is leased. I have used this model at least 20 times. I would use hard money as a last resort.

Hello Jeff,

I am looking total purchase and rehab in the 30K range... possibly up to 50K. I could not qualify for a personal line of credit for that much. I will be honest around here I don't know people who could. Unless I am misunderstanding you.

Thank you,

Shawn

Post: Buy & Hold

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Ryan Billingsley:

@Shawn McCarty

I would recommend researching the smaller banks in your area.  Many of them offer commercial loans for residential investment properties.  You can get one commercial loan for multiple investment properties.  These are known as portfolio lenders and they keep the loans in house instead of selling them off like the larger banks do.  If you buy the property right (at a discount) using hard money or cash, many banks will allow you to refinance the property after being leased for 6 months and it will be based off the appraised value not your purchase price.  In many cases if you buy the property right, you can end up with a property that you have zero invested in cash flowing.

Hello Ryan,

I am not at all familiar with portfolio lenders. How does a commercial loan cover residential investment? Also... what is the lending criteria on something like that?

With the hard money reference... Lets say I do 50K hard money total (4 points out of my pocket at 2,000)... Loan terms are 12 month... I complete the work in 3 months... get a renter in month 4... I have them rent for 6 months... Then what? I go to a bank and say.... lets refi? They say ok... house is worth 80K you need 20% down... so that's 16,000... I am into the hard money guy for 50K, out of pocket 18K... I get 80K from thank... 50K to hard money guy... plus my 18K... I have 12K left over in my bank account right? AND I am still into the bank for 80K... right?

I am probably missing something... Could you help me out please so I can understand?

thank you,

shawn

Post: Buy & Hold

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

have you looked at any soft money portfolio programs? 

Hello Ken,

Not very familiar with this... Could you explain more?

Post: IM BACK! - Thinking Buy & Hold - Dundalk!

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2

Hello Everyone,

Took some time away from focusing on becoming a real estate investor to get some things straightened out in my person life... I am BACK! smarter and more determined than ever!

So I am thinking about picking up a buy and hold in the Dundalk area. Any general thoughts right off the bat?

So my main question is this... If I do hard money to get a buy & hold (including the rehab costs).... What do I do next? Obviously I need to Refi right? Any it has to be conventional right?

Thank you,

Shawn

Post: Buy & Hold

Shawn McCartyPosted
  • Accountant
  • Dundalk, MD
  • Posts 27
  • Votes 2

Hello,

I am trying to pickup my first buy & hold (first real estate investment period)... I have some potential properties, I have some people who would lend hard money based on the deal alone. My only problem is this... Once I buy the house and put a little money into it... What next? At that point I would be in 4 points (not much total based on the properties I am looking at)... and I would have 12-14 months to pay back the hard money... Do I refi conventional? If so, how can I really amass a portfolio doing it that way? I would have a million loans in my name... is that even possible?

Thanks everyone in advance... Biggerpockets has also been a big help in the past!

Thank you,

Shawn - The Newbie!