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All Forum Posts by: Shalom Wininger

Shalom Wininger has started 1 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Peter Davis:

@Shalom Wininger

Good for you for getting into RE investing; it's a fun game!

To echo several of the other responders, the most important thing you can do is buy the home right, meaning as low a price as possible. This will give you a cushion against unforeseen problems throughout the process, and a better chance of reaping bigger profits. I used to look at 10's to close to 100 potential flips in search of hidden value and by doing so you'll sharpen your instincts so that when the right one comes along, you can sense it, then analyze it quickly, and jump. 

I also did 80% of the work myself, pretty much everything except major plumbing and electrical. That's where I added the most value, at least early on. Paying a GC to manage and complete the work didn't work for me but if you don't have the time or basic skills, then you'll have to negotiate hard on the fix up. 

You can reach out directly to the listing agent to see and make an offer on any potential homes. They love getting both sides of the commission; I know I do. In these instances I give my seller a 1-2% commission discount (pigs get fed, hogs get slaughtered), so that might work in your favor. But beware, as the agent's #1 priority often will be looking out for the seller's best interests (and their own) so scrutinize everything you're told and dissect everything you see; cover your own butt. 

Dig in, and good luck!


 Thanks Peter. This was an awesome read and I love your enthusiasm. I have no skills in building, maybe I will pick it up, but the best for me is hiring a GC. Yes it will cost more, however, it also gives me the ability to do multiple flips at once, which will cover for the extra GC expense, I am totally fine with that. It gives me more mobility to look for other deals. Obviously, I am still going to be keeping a close eye on the flip that is being done to make sure everything is going as planned, but it doesn't tie me down to one deal, I still can be mobile to do other deals.

I like your idea of reaching out directly to the listing agent, this I didn't think of, thanks for the tip! 

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Callaway Pate:

Shalom, I think your idea of bringing on an experienced partner is a good idea. If you go to a local real estate group with a deal that has good margins there's a good chance you can find that partner who will come on the deal and help guide you in return for a slice of the profits. The real hurdle is finding that great deal. I'd encourage you to take a more creative (yet harder) approach of calling off-market distressed properties near you or driving for dollars. This is likely where you can find that discount you're looking for. It'll be tough and highly embarrassing at first but if you're committed you'll get used to it and when you have something under contract you can bring that to a partner. 

Best of luck!
   


 Thanks Callaway. I actually did this approach, I drove for dollars, and I have found some great opportunities, like vacant disserted houses in disrepair and other distressed houses, I never actually contacted any of them but I have found them. I have seen some of them recently have been sold so others have found them as well, but I found these properties months before already. I didn't really know how to make the next moves without any experience or with an experienced flipper so I didn't go any further. 

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Amy Shutes:

I'm an investor friendly Realtor.  I am in the Charlotte metro area.  I am also an investor myself.  If you are looking in the Charlotte metro area please let me know if I can assist.


 Thanks Amy for reaching out, I really appreciate it, but currently I am more interested in the Jersey area, but thanks for your offer.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @J Scott:

My thoughts:

1) I was told to get a real estate agent to help, I have been trying to get an agent to help me, but most of them never get back to me and the ones that do, and I tell them what I am interested in doing, they never follow up with me and it is hard to keep chasing them, any advice as to what I should do about this?

There are agents that are accustomed to working with investors, but most aren't.  And those who aren't likely won't be very helpful/responsive. If you want to work with an agent, find one that is accustomed to working with investors.  The best way to do this is to attend local REIAs or meetups and network with other investors -- they'll know the agents who understand investing.

2) I would try to do deals myself but I don't know how to do that, I have no contracts and I have no clue how to make and write an offer to even start anything off, the only way I can think of making any offers is with an agent, but that will cost the seller an agent fee and will minimize my chances of getting any deals, what should I do about this?

If you want to represent yourself, I would suggest taking a real estate course and getting your license (or at least taking the course). You'll learn how transactions are done, you'll get access to the contracts that are used locally, and you'll get an understanding of how to navigate a deal/closing without another agent involved.

I'm a big proponent of getting your license, but not to save money.  Having your license will give you the opportunity to maintain much more control over your deals -- you'll be able to talk to the other party's agent, lender, appraiser, inspector, title company, etc. -- without having to go through your own agent.  When you're licensed, you have a lot more ability to insert yourself into the process and stay informed on the true status of the deal.

If you don't want to get licensed, there are a couple options for contracts:

*  You can download a generic contract off the web (this is risky, as it may not be suitable for your area);

*  You can find a local realtor who will give you a copy of the template used by local agents (legally, you're not supposed to use these if you're not licensed, but I won't tell);

*  You can hire a local real estate contracts attorney to provide you a custom contract you can use.

3) Is it best to try to get a partner, someone who is already experienced? I have tried that as well but no one is really interested, how do I go about this?

I'm a huge fan of a partnering on early deals.  Is there a reason nobody is interested? 

What are you offering?  What feedback are you getting specifically? 

4) Even the distressed houses are only offering to be sold for a max $100,000 lower then regular asking price, which can't turn any profit, is it due to the market today? Is it even worth it to try to do flipping in todays market?

It's a tough market to be starting out, simply due to the fact that nobody knows where values are headed short-term.  If you do a deal that has a 15% profit margin, and values fall 10% in the next few months, that doesn't leave you a lot of room for error (or much profit).

That said, now is a great time to get prepared -- get your license (if you want to go that route), figure out your financing plan, get intimately familiar with your farm area, find partners, find contractors, etc.  There is likely to be a great opportunity for flippers in the next 6-24 months (depending on how quickly the economy turns), and using this time to prepare is the best thing you can do.  That way, when the time is right, you can hit the ground running...


 Hi J,

This is awesome! I have tried reaching out to you about these questions. I am a big fan! Your books were so helpful, I use your books as my go to source, I have gained so much from your books. 

1) I am trying to find an agent who is accustomed to working with investors, again they never follow up or they send me on wild goose chases. I am going to try the REIAs and meetups root.

2)I like the idea of getting a real estate license, as I know you are very into this, I am just a little hesitant to, as I am afraid to invest so much time when I don't know if I will even be successful, but that is part of the risk. Also, I really only have time at night, not sure if there are any courses that I can do online and at night.

3) I never actually came to anyone with a deal to see if they would like to partner, is it better to approach them and find out if they would be interested in partnering with me if I bring them a deal or first get the deal and then approach them? My offering for now will be to bring them a deal that they never thought about and even give them most of the profit, in exchange for me to learn first hand every aspect of how to do a flip. Also, like others mentioned, even to work for someone and learn from them and perhaps bring in a deal or two along the way at some point.

4) Your advice of starting to get prepared is great advice I want to do that but like I said I am hesitant to jump in as I don't know if I will be successful, but I guess that is part of the risk in RE.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Lala Laza:
Quote from @Shalom Wininger:
Quote from @David Ramirez:

Hey @Shalom Wininger,

Nothing worth creating comes easy!

Before I did my first flip I had similar questions and I had trouble finding answers because I was not believing 100% in the product. I was able to overcome all obstacles by taking time to learn from people that were doing what I wanted to be doing. Start by connecting with investors in your area and learn as much as you can from every individual you get to meet. 

Feel free to reach out with any questions!


 Thanks David. This was great advice, knowing that I was not the only one starting off with these questions is calming and encouraging that I should continue and just press on. I am going to go ahead with the advice from this forum and do networking and build those connections and trust with other investors.

Since at the end you are considering go in all this for 10-20% profit per property did you consider investing abroad since you don't have experience and there are companies or agents in Europe that can do whole cycle with you and give you same kind of profit with no expertise needed from your side and no unnecessary pressure. I started as that and than become agent for Serbia investing. It is by my opinion option with minimal risk and potential same as that you get going in this on your own with no experience. 

 Thanks Lala. This is an interesting idea, not something that I was really focusing on, I would love to learn more about this, do you have anymore info on this? I'll keep it on the back burner.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Shalom Wininger:

Hi,
My name is Shalom Wininger. I am new to real estate and am trying to start off by doing fix and flips. I did  research into it and am very familiar with it and how it works. I just have no experience at all. I am living in New Jersey and am looking into real estate  here as well. I had a few questions that perhaps someone can advise me on. 1) I was told to get a real estate agent to help, I have been trying to get an agent to help me, but most of them never get back to me and the ones that do, and I tell them what I am interested in doing, they never follow up with me and it is hard to keep chasing them, any advice as to what I should do about this? 2) I would try to do deals myself but I don't know how to do that, I have no contracts and I have no clue how to make and write an offer to even start anything off, the only way I can think of making any offers is with an agent, but that will cost the seller an agent fee and will minimize my chances of getting any deals, what should I do about this? 3) Is it best to try to get a partner, someone who is already experienced? I have tried that as well but no one is really interested, how do I go about this? 4) Even the distressed houses are only offering to be sold for a max $100,000 lower then regular asking price, which can't turn any profit, is it due to the market today? Is it even worth it to try to do flipping in todays market? Any help and advice is greatly appreciated, thanks to all.


 To be successful:
1. you need to know comps dynamic at certain block / zip code.
2. you know the estimate rehab cost prior of even coming to property based on reading property inspection.
3. then there's the ARV aspect and when you plan to sell.
4. you should not rely on realtor, my realtor usually depends on me lol
5. the area that has the most appreciation, is the one that's worthed to pursue.


 Thanks Carlos. Yes I know to well all this information, I did a lot of research. Also, I wasn't planning on relying on an agent, I am realizing that if I want something done, the best way to get that is by doing it yourself, I need an agent to help with purchases and resales of the properties I bring and perhaps to help me with areas and running some data for me.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @George Ansong:

Get a mentor to help guide you - Also there are investor Agents in this forum in your area that could help. Learn from some one who is doing flips - remember - everything being equal flips are much more riskier


 Thanks George. Yes, I am seriously looking into this, as others in this forum have mentioned. I was trying a route similar to this, just trying to already bring a deal to the table and get the first hand mentoring that way. 

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1
Quote from @David Ramirez:

Hey @Shalom Wininger,

Nothing worth creating comes easy!

Before I did my first flip I had similar questions and I had trouble finding answers because I was not believing 100% in the product. I was able to overcome all obstacles by taking time to learn from people that were doing what I wanted to be doing. Start by connecting with investors in your area and learn as much as you can from every individual you get to meet. 

Feel free to reach out with any questions!


 Thanks David. This was great advice, knowing that I was not the only one starting off with these questions is calming and encouraging that I should continue and just press on. I am going to go ahead with the advice from this forum and do networking and build those connections and trust with other investors.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1

Thanks Vanessa, I should consider REI meetups it sounds like it can be very helpful with making some connections.

Post: Some questions on starting house flipping

Shalom WiningerPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Lakewood, NJ
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 1

Thanks Aaron, I really liked your advice, especially when it is coming from an agent who can direct me in the ways that agents think. To start off, I was planning on getting funds from a hard money lender, I know that isn't the best rout, but I can't really get other ways as I am not so experienced. I am not sure if they will even provide me with a proof of funds, so it is hard to present that to any agents. I do have leads that I am working on.

As for your second point, these are off market deals, I have heard of others making deals themselves without any agents, how do they do that? How would I make an offer, I have no official contracts like an agent does? I like your idea of paying the agent price myself if it is worth it, I thought like that as well.

I believe I have value to bring into a partnership, I am very determined and motivated, and very ambitious, but I guess they wouldn't know unless I show them, which networking and working with someone will definitely help. 

I appreciate the advice of consistent effort, I realized this and am trying to keep my head up and not get discouraged, thanks for your advice.