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All Forum Posts by: Serge S.

Serge S. has started 61 posts and replied 379 times.

Post: Looking for investors that buy Subsidized Multifamily Complexes

Serge S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 390
  • Votes 599

@Tyler Rusomaroff I own section 42 LIHTC and can tell you this is a very different beast to underwrite. Value add while in the program will be the delta of max allowable rent to average in place rent. You need to understand all of the administrative costs such as constant recertifications, audits, etc. Tenants are extremely rough on the units. You are generally underwriting some losses in the first years. Its crucial to find the right manager. If you are not close to the qualified contract period or in a state where you must fulfill the LURA I would not mess with something like this unless I had experience. You need to buy at a significant discount to market to make these work and today these are not being offered at adequate discounts and being sold to inexperienced operators who find out too late that they bought long term losses and terrible tenants. 

Post: How Do Syndicated Apartment Holds Fail?

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  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
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@Jason Merchey stick to small multi where you control the in and out and can run your own assumptions. Its not easy to evaluate a multifamily syndication with all the offerings being floated. This is indeed a competitive space and many sponsors will tell you its all about the deal and not the sponsor. That is just a way to hide the obvious as its nearly impossible for someone that has not owned or been through a cycle to evaluate appropriately. Having owned RE, even on the smaller scale and comparing sponsor assumptions to your own experience will give you more education than any bootcamp. I own large multifamily in my own portfolio and can confidently tell you that a vast majority of sponsors are floating garbage wrapped in a powerpoint. Here are just some examples of paper assumptions that will never be reality:

1. Economic vacancy - under 10% all in very rarely exists and certainly not in the long run. Most sponsors will show you a 7.5% while the "unsophisticated" seller is running 12-15% with units priced $300 less than the sponsors proforma. If you have owned large multi long term you know this is not possible.

2. Acquisition fees - I've seen sponsors trying to charge upward of 3-4%. This is a big clue they are doing it for the up front fee. You want them to profit on the back end with you not on the purchase. Look at the sponsors take at exit. It should be 2-4x+ of the acquisition fee on the front end. 

3. Entire business plan based on significant rent bump. They will tell you all units are classic and "unsophisticated" seller left all this on the table. Look closely at the sellers T12. Over 100 units very few sellers are stupid. I would bet you they have renovated units and the rents they are getting are within $75-$150 of what the market will allow. Think long and hard if someone is pitching a $300+ bump. This is a rare bird and does not exist with a combined sub 10% economic loss. Tenant incomes are not keeping up with rent growth meaning the return on capex will not be as expected.

4. Sub 6% exit cap. I'm not sure who the end buyer of a fully renovated complex at max rents is. I've never met that buyer and neither has a sponsor that has never executed an exit. It is essential to pick a sponsor that has executed on a successful exit otherwise your money is his experiment.

5. Exit per unit price higher than class A rebuild cost. If you can build a brand new class A in your market for $150k who is the buyer at a $250k/door exit. Your betting on significant rent and construction cost increases.

6. Cherry picked rent comps. This is an easy one to manipulate. Look at sq foot rents on a unit type and SQfoot basis. Is there one cherry picked complex getting that rent or most in the submarket? I would bet its one cherry picked complex and your not seeing what is really going on at that complex. Again, most owners are not stupid and are trying to maximize rent and income.

I could go on and on. Look for deals where the NOI can carry the debt with a healthy DSCR day by year 2 without a reliance on year 3 refi or exotic bridge debt. Be conservative on the rent bump and don't rely on a full multimillion capex reposition to get those rents. That strategy adds layer upon layer of risk and most sponsors that are taking that risk have not been in a scenario at year 3 + 1 + 1 where they have to refi that debt, spent $2M in capex to find they were off on rent and or economic vacancy. Being off on rent by $100 on a big deal will lead to a $3M swing in value. Sponsor will be ok with that bc they front loaded $800k in acquisition fees which will then be used to fight LP lawsuits.

Post: No buying multi-family until we hit the bottom?

Serge S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 390
  • Votes 599
Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

I dont know why everyone who doesnt have the courage to invest during a booming economy believes they will have the courage to invest during a recession, or how they will access credit when credit markets tighten.

You know who buys during the depths of recessions?......the same people who continue to buy regardless of market conditions.

 Very true but what I am seeing is people that DID NOT buy anything during the recession who are now today's syndicators. Guys who were saying prices will go lower, keep waiting. Guys who called the top of the market in 2013, 2014, 2015 and now today they are suddenly bullish and able to raise money. 

Post: No buying multi-family until we hit the bottom?

Serge S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
  • Posts 390
  • Votes 599

I'm not sure I'd be waiting but I would very much be sure my strategy does not rely on huge NOI gains to attain an estimated exit cap rate to make the deal work. Buy on undervalued in place NOI not pro forma. Buy where the rookie syndicators are not. If the market continues to grow they will follow later and be the ones buying your exit. Have an exit strategy that can work with multiple operational plans and higher exit cap rates. Make sure all your assets have adequate reserves. Sell assets that are directly tied to the strength of this economy (i.e SFRs in certain markets). Last but not least, I want to be sitting on some cash into 2020-2021. If no asset fits the above then continue to stack cash and look at alternative asset classes. Multifamily is today's preferred investment. It will not always be like that.

Post: Syndication Return Projections as a LP

Serge S.Posted
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  • Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally posted by @Jonathan Twombly:

@Zachary Bellinghausen  One issue that’s going to come back to bite a lot of sponsors (and their LPs) at this point in the cycle is their misunderstanding of exit cap rates. 

It’s Underwriting 101 to use a metric like 10 basis points per year over your entering cap rate to calculate your exit cap rate. So, if you buy at a 7 cap and hold for five years, you assume an exit at 7.5. 

What most people are missing is that this just a rule of thumb, and it’s meant to apply at the midpoint of the market cycle.

Right now, we have historically low cap rates, and people are mechanically applying this rule thinking that they are being conservative. So they are buying 1970s suburban garden apartments at 5 caps and thinking that, in five years, they can exit at a 5.5. 

This kind of product usually trades in the 7-9 % range, and they should be assuming their exits in that range, regardless of the rule of thumb. 

The difference is enormous. The exit cap has a huge impact on projections. 

One of my clients showed me a deal he was thinking of investing that was just like this. 1970s, suburban deal going in around 5.5 and projecting an exit at 6. They calculated some exit scenarios up to 6.75 to show a range.  However, I calculated over that, and over that exit cap, they were actually losing money on the exit. To be conservative they should have been assuming an exit around 8%, where these deals historically trade - and that was nearly 10 years ago, when they were 10 years newer. 

 This is absolutely what I am seeing in the syndicated deals I review. Value add Phoenix trades at around 4-4.5 cap and repositioned product closer to 5 cap (class B/C) where Phoenix is generally a 6-6.5 cap historical market. A repositioned asset with no value add left attracts a very specific type of buyer and from what I am seeing this buyer is getting harder and harder to find as deals are more and more competitive and syndicators put more and more repositioned product on the market. I have a hard time projecting that this buyer accepts a 5 cap or less in 3-5 years and I am underwriting to no less than a 6.5 cap exit year 3-5 which is a good 200 bp spread. 

Second big mistake I see is the economic loss to lease numbers. I've never operated at much less than 10% and over the long term you must assume conditions do not stay perfect.  

Combine a conservative exit cap and higher economic loss and the 16%IRR quickly becomes 5% and the 3 year hold becomes 10. In this market I would not consider a deal with a 10 year hold plan, I want to be in and out.

Post: Syndication Return Projections as a LP

Serge S.Posted
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  • Scottsdale, AZ
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What??? You mean you can't go to boot camp for the summer and learn to syndicate a 200 unit apartment? 

Post: Using cash flowing SFH to get into apartments

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  • Scottsdale, AZ
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Originally posted by @Jacob Grennell:

Hello everyone,

I'm curious if anyone has or is in the process of using SFM to get into apartment buildings.

I know alot of people that are getting SFM HOMES that cashflow 300-500 a month with tenants already in for around 100k. So I'm curious as to why people dont get like 10 of those with a 25% down within a 5 year timeline while still working their day job. The homes would be pretty simple to finance using a heloc from a personal residence or home equity loan. Once you get like two or three They would just reproduce down payments on their own. This would also boost your income allowing you to save more for an apartment complex. In my opinion you could save 100 to 250k for an apartment complex faster and it would boost your net worth and kind of start a track record for you to the bank and future investors. Use that money to get like a 10 or 20 unit. Go in add value you boost rents and cap rate and get out with a profit. You could then quit your day job to focus fully on apartments because you have your SFMs paying your expenses and you have the money from the previous deal to use on the next, then move up from there.

I know they are two separate ventures and dont work the same at all, however I think it's better then saving for seven to 10 years to do the same thing plus you would still have to work a full time job. Any opinions, advice positive or negative are welcomed and appreciated. Thanks for everyone time!

 Thats pretty much the roadmap as to how I did it. Key was holding all the way through the recession and moving into apartments before the peak. Reverse those two and the picture looks very different.

Post: Turnkey Investment gone wrong

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Good story about turnkey gone wrong in Indy. If you think somebody is working to make you safe passive returns ....

Fox and Friends TurnKey Ponzi Scheme

Post: Big money can’t deploy while band camp syndicators doing deals

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Interesting article in WSJ. Big money having no issues raising money but can’t find assets that meet return goals. Meanwhile syndicators are coming out of band camp with the knowledge to buy 200 unit’s at a time.

Real-Estate Funds Have a Problem: Too Much Cash

As deadlines approach for spending investor money, fund managers face challenges finding profitable buildings to buy

Private real-estate fund managers, sitting on record amounts of cash, are finding it increasingly difficult to spend all that money within the deadlines they promised investors.

Funds with fixed lifespans generally promise investors they will spend the money they commit within three to five years. But as of last June, closed-end real-estate vehicles launched in 2013 and 2014 still held $24.8 billion in dry powder, capital committed by investors that has yet to be spent, according to research and data firm Preqin Ltd.

The problem is likely to get worse. The total amount of dry powder held by closed-end private property funds increased to a record $333 billion this month, up from $134 billion at the end of 2012, according to Preqin.

In a 2018 survey, 68% of real-estate fund managers told Preqin that it was more difficult to find attractive investments than it had been a year before.

"A lot of firms have been sitting on their hands and not putting money to work, and that's dangerous," said Christian Dalzell, managing partner at real-estate investment firm Dalzell Capital Partners LLC and a former managing director at Starwood Capital Group.

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The delay is largely because it has become much harder for firms to hit their outsize return objectives one decade into a bull market. Finding profitable buildings to buy has become more challenging amid fierce competition, slowing rent growth, and fears that the real-estate market is heading for a downturn.

For private-equity firms, missing deadlines can mean either going back to investors and requesting an extension or being forced to return their money. For their investors—pension funds, endowments, sovereign-wealth funds and others—the delay can make it harder to meet their return goals.

Some private-equity firms are being forced to make course corrections in their investment strategy to meet their deadlines.

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When Jamestown L.P. started raising capital from individual German investors for a U.S.-focused real-estate investment fund in 2016, it told them it would spend all their money by the end of 2018. But as late 2018 approached, the $570 million fund still had unspent capital and struggled to find properties that meet its investment criteria, according to people familiar with the matter.

Instead, in a bid to put its money to use before the deadline passed, Jamestown bought properties in all-cash and used far less debt than originally planned to finance the properties later on, these people said. The moves were unusual for the private fund manager, which tends to use debt to maximize returns.

A person familiar with the fund said debt accounted for about 20% of the money it spent on acquisitions, significantly less than the 60% its terms allowed. Its acquisitions included the shopping centers Parkside Shops and the Exchange at Hammond in greater Atlanta.

“In an environment with increased interest rates, low cap rates and more questions about future growth, you need to be very disciplined,” a spokesman for Jamestown said in a written statement. “For our closed-end fund, the same discipline resulted in fewer acquisitions than originally intended, but substantially lower fund leverage which reduces risk for our German investors.”

The problem comes as private-equity firms are raising some of the biggest real-estate funds ever, thanks partly to their success in recent years in hitting return objectives. Earlier this year Brookfield Asset Management Inc. closed its largest-ever property fund at $15 billion. Blackstone Group LP is close to finishing raising a record $20 billion fund.

These larger firms argue they can meet their deadlines more easily than smaller peers because they invest globally and have so much capital available they can buy entire companies or portfolios. Brookfield’s new fund, for example, purchased the two-thirds stake in mall giant GGP Inc. that Brookfield didn’t already own.

Brookfield’s scale enables it to get returns “you simply can’t get if you’re an individual investor buying an individual mall,” said Brian Kingston, chief executive of Brookfield’s real-estate arm.

Blackstone’s global co-head of real estate, Kenneth Caplan, who declined to comment on the fundraising, said markets are fickle and whether or not there are opportunities to buy “can change pretty quickly.”

Some funds are setting less ambitious fundraising targets. Lone Star Funds recently disclosed in a public filing that it is raising $3 billion for its latest real-estate fund, which is about half the size of its previous one.

Others increasingly have been requesting extensions from their investors, according to Douglas Weill, a co-managing partner at advisory firm Hodes Weill & Associates. “When you start pushing beyond one year, investors start to ask what’s going on” and either refuse another extension or renegotiate fees, he said.

Post: Multifamily Property Manager recommendations in Tulsa

Serge S.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Scottsdale, AZ
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@Account Closed I too have been looking at Tulsa. Looks like there is a lot of value add remaining in the market and its clearly not on the same side of the cycle as a PHX, LV, Dallas. Would love to hear from some pros with units in Tulsa.