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All Forum Posts by: Seth Roland

Seth Roland has started 3 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

Seth Roland
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Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

it all depends on the credit scores, but consumer mortgages tend to have lower interest rates than commercial loans. But that is often an "apples to oranges" comparison unless you're going to live in the property/house hack.

Got it. Makes sense. And I am also considering house hacking so this is good to know. Thanks a lot for your time. I appreciate it!

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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If you go the conventional/DSCR route, these are considered "Commercial" loans and the properties are referred to as "Non Owner-Occupied" and, as such, the cash flow of the property is most important, and your DTI is not generally included in the underwriting. DTI is generally only used for "Retail" or "Consumer" mortgages where you live in the property.


So a conventional/DSCR "commercial" loan doesn't necessarily mean higher interest than a "consumer" mortgage if it's coming from a traditional bank/credit union?

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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Yes. As long as you have a credit score of at least 620, an HML/PML should be a good option for you. However, if you have a score over 720 and good cash flow, a bank loan could be an option with a lower interest rate and hopefully lower monthly payment. You'll need to run a proforma to figure out where these shake out for you!


My score is around 760. I'd have to figure out what good cash flow is, but there's a chance I could be taken off the loan that I'm a cosigner on and it would help my DTI a lot.

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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@Seth Roland

Loans like bank statement loans or DSCR (Debt Service Coverage Ratio) loans could be great options. These focus less on personal income and more on your business cash flow or the projected rental income of the property.

If you have a rehab project, you may want to start with a hard money loan and refinance into DSCR once you are done with the rehab. Hard Money typically funds 90% of the purchase price and 100% of the rehab on a draw schedule.


 Hi Jake,

Thanks for the reply. I have heard that interest rates for a DSCR loan are generally 1-2% higher than conventional loans depending on the LTV ratio and credit score. Would you say that is accurate and if so, would it be worth pursuing a conventional loan first because of the higher cost of a DSCR loan? Thanks!

Hey @Seth Roland. What are you considering a "conventional" loan vs. a DSCR loan?


By conventional, I mean a typical 30-year conforming loan with a 20% downpayment. And by DSCR loan, I'm thinking standard 30-year DSCR loan. Does that make sense? I'm just learning about the different types of loans and how they work so please correct my thinking if I'm not making sense. Thanks!

For investment properties, DSCR and Conventional are somewhat interchangeable when it comes to loans. The differing factor, IMO, is whether you're working with an HML/PML or a traditional bank/credit union. The HML/PMLs generally have more "flexible" or "creative" lending terms (higher LTARVs and longer amort), but the trade off is higher interest rates. I know this can be confusing.

 Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for explaining. I guess it boils down to finding out if I can qualify for a lower-interest loan with a traditional bank/credit union, and if not, making sure the math still works with a higher-interest loan.

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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Quote from @Seth Roland:
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@Seth Roland

Loans like bank statement loans or DSCR (Debt Service Coverage Ratio) loans could be great options. These focus less on personal income and more on your business cash flow or the projected rental income of the property.

If you have a rehab project, you may want to start with a hard money loan and refinance into DSCR once you are done with the rehab. Hard Money typically funds 90% of the purchase price and 100% of the rehab on a draw schedule.


 Hi Jake,

Thanks for the reply. I have heard that interest rates for a DSCR loan are generally 1-2% higher than conventional loans depending on the LTV ratio and credit score. Would you say that is accurate and if so, would it be worth pursuing a conventional loan first because of the higher cost of a DSCR loan? Thanks!

Hey @Seth Roland. What are you considering a "conventional" loan vs. a DSCR loan?


By conventional, I mean a typical 30-year conforming loan with a 20% downpayment. And by DSCR loan, I'm thinking standard 30-year DSCR loan. Does that make sense? I'm just learning about the different types of loans and how they work so please correct my thinking if I'm not making sense. Thanks!

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

Seth Roland
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Quote from @Jake Baker:

@Seth Roland

Loans like bank statement loans or DSCR (Debt Service Coverage Ratio) loans could be great options. These focus less on personal income and more on your business cash flow or the projected rental income of the property.

If you have a rehab project, you may want to start with a hard money loan and refinance into DSCR once you are done with the rehab. Hard Money typically funds 90% of the purchase price and 100% of the rehab on a draw schedule.


 Hi Jake,

Thanks for the reply. I have heard that interest rates for a DSCR loan are generally 1-2% higher than conventional loans depending on the LTV ratio and credit score. Would you say that is accurate and if so, would it be worth pursuing a conventional loan first because of the higher cost of a DSCR loan? Thanks!

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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Thanks for your reply! I'll look into these options. I guess the next step would be to find lenders in my area that offer these types of loans. Are these loans that I could get pre-qualified for?

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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Hey @Seth Roland, welcome to the BP Forum! If money were no object, do you have a specific property (whether it's for sale or not) and address that would be an ideal first investment for you? Also, are you looking for turn-key properties or something along the lines of a "fixer upper"?


 Hi Jaycee, thanks for the reply. No, I don't have a specific property I'm looking at yet. I'm looking in the Tucson area just because that's where I live. Turn-key would be nice, but if I can get a bigger bang for my buck, I'm not against a fixer-upper if there is a good deal. I understand a fixer-upper would require a lot more work in accurately determining repair costs, finding good contractors, etc., but I think the learning experience would help set me up better for future deals.

Post: House hack or continue renting?

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Hello, just getting started here. I just wanted to hear people's thoughts on whether to look for a house hack opportunity or to keep renting and look for a rental property deal. My current rent I pay is only $500/month. So is it worth it to house hack a multifamily property? Or is it better to capture all the rental income while continuing to pay my current rent at $500/month? Is house hacking worth it solely to qualify for an FHA loan? I know this is a very general "well it depends" question, but I'm just hoping for some general advice and direction. Thanks in advance!

Post: Advice on Getting a Lender/Financing

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Hello all,

I'm just starting out on this journey. I'm 24 and still in the "learning stage" but want to move forward on my first purchase in the next ~12 months. I want to narrow in on using the BRRRR strategy, but turnkey rentals are also intriguing. (I'm in the middle of Brandon Turner's book Rental Property Investing. Next is probably his book on Investing with No and Low Money Down. More book recs are welcome!)

My question for this post is about financing and finding a lender so I am ready when the time comes to buy my first property. I want to know how much I can get approved for and what steps to take to figure this out. My financial situation is somewhat unique, so I’m sharing the details below in case anyone can provide guidance.

1. I am self-employed. I run a business called Woodnotch (we make nice pens, if anyone needs one 😉). Most of my income is reinvested back into the business, which means my reported income is relatively low due to write-offs.

2. I have saved $25k over the last 18 months and continue saving $1500/month from my job. I also have another $25k investment coming back to me by the beginning of 2026.

3. I am co-owner of a $900k property and co-signer on the $400k refi loan. I am not the one making the payments, but it's still on my credit report.

My limited income, combined with being a co-signer on the loan, results in a less-than-ideal DTI ratio.

Under these circumstances, what type of loan or lender should I focus on? Are there options that are less dependent on reported income, such as a bank statement loan that I should be looking into?

Thank you for taking the time to read all this! Any advice or resources would be greatly appreciated.