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All Forum Posts by: Seth Mosley

Seth Mosley has started 31 posts and replied 142 times.

Post: Buying Below Market Value

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Bill Jacobsen:

Market value is what people are selling or buying similar properties at.  This assumes that the property is properly marketed.  This is the value based on comps.  An appraisal is the value that a licensed appraiser gives the property assuming a sell within 6 months.  My experience is that appraisals can be somewhat high.  This works well for properties that are move in ready.  Under the above circumstances you usually can sell property within 5% up or down of its value.

Properties that need rehab are different. Not only do you have to assess the ARV but the cost of rehab. Not as many people are willing to buy properties needing rehab. The property will not sell for ARV - Rehab cost. People want a discount to that number to account for time and effort and risk. Each rehabber has his own profit margin.

I don't worry about buying below market.  I want to make my profit margin.

I hope this helps.  Its only my opinion.

Bill

Yes thanks Bill, I buy based off ROI / COC return - that seems to be the way to keep going for me as a buy and hold investor

Post: Buying Below Market Value

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44

Yea, what I'm gathering is that it is a bit of a "subjective" term...

Post: Buying Below Market Value

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44

Or is it based off the current appraisal? 

Post: Buying Below Market Value

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44

I have read this term, for example, "buy it 30% below market value" or something similar a lot on BP.

My question to you all is, isn't market value relative to what people would sell it for anyway? So how do you know or determine that you are getting a deal at 30% market value, after all, market value is a bit up and down in real estate. Wouldn't the price you get it for technically be market value?

Is it based off the current comps? Or how do you figure this?

Thanks

Post: Investment metrics

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44

gotcha, many thanks for the explanation

Post: How much for repairs and vacancies

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44
Has anyone had much experience with ahs or other home warranty companies? I've personally carried it on all of my properties that have some form of central hvac (as opposed to window units) - and it has saved us a few times - covers hot water heaters as well too Then at least I don't have to plan for a new hwh or hvac Roof is another thing...

Post: Investment metrics

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @J Scott:

I look for 15% COC on a conservatively leveraged property (65% LTV). I also want the property to be in a "good" area (no worse than what would be considered C+ area).

I don't care much about cash flow, as that will take care of itself if I hit my COC targets.

 How do you determine a c+ area as you say? What constitutes that? Thank you 

Post: Investment metrics

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

3 rules:

1 - All my cash in back within the first year

2 - $300/month cash flow

3 - After I get all my cash back I put in (refi), I have to have enough cash back to go onto my next deal.

 Thanks for writing.

Wow, #1 seems pretty far ahead of where my metrics are. 

Post: How much for repairs and vacancies

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44
Originally posted by @Arlan Potter:

I agree with Joe. We are constantly paying down debt and don't worry so much about what ifs. We never have. In fact if I had worried and calculated and fretted as much as some do about what could go wrong, I probably would still be an accountant, sitting at my desk all day. 

Actually most houses stay rented so we don't actually worry about vacancies. We also focus on properties that rent for close to 2% rent/cost and then cashflow any repairs.

The secret is to have a bunch of properties and have enough cash flow to pay for repairs. 

Cheap house rentals are the best!

 I have heard the "2% rule", can you please elaborate on how that is figured in your case?

Post: How much for repairs and vacancies

Seth MosleyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 145
  • Votes 44
Wondering if any of you out there have some sort of "formula" you use to estimate repairs/maintenance and vacancy reserve costs when evaluating a new property? I have been sort of guessing on mine so far and doing 5% for vacancies and 6% or so for repairs Thanks