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All Forum Posts by: Selina Giarla

Selina Giarla has started 8 posts and replied 49 times.

Quote from @Stacy Raskin:
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@Selina Giarla, what kind of loan are you trying to do and is it for an investment property? If so, what state and what are the details? There may be some additional loan programs depending on the situation. 

It would be for a rental. I was aiming for texas but open to other landlord friendly states so long as the numbers work. I just need an idea of where to start. I have no idea... is the 10/1 int only ARM at 9%, 7%? Pts, no pts? Not sure.

An option is to get a DSCR loan. 1-4 unit programs generally have better rates compared to 5+. These have 30 year fixed options.

More info here:

DSCR loans won't use your income to underwrite the loan.

DSCR loans are based off of down payment, credit score and either actual or market rents so it helps to supercharge an investor's real estate goals and net worth.

Here's a bit more in detail about how rates are calculated for DSCR loans:

1. Credit score- the higher the best. 760+ generally gets best pricing for investment property loans with most lenders

2. Loan to value ratio: The higher the loan to value ratio (LTV) is, pricing takes a hit. So your pricing will be higher for a 80% LTV loan than for a 60% LTV loan.

3. Prepayment penalties- usually 1-5 year terms. The shorter the prepayment term has an impact on increasing the rate.

4. Are you cash flowing the property? More on how that is calculated below. Is your DSCR ratio greater than 1-meaning are you cash flowing (according to the lender's criteria of mortgage, property taxes and insurance (and HOA) if applicable). Many lenders will not do a DSCR loan unless cash flowing. If they will do a loan with less than 1, the pricing takes a hit. This criteria is for 1-4 and 5-8 unit programs.

I've included an example below to help illustrate this.

So different lenders have different rates (which do vary even for DSCR loans) but these are factors they all consider.

See example below:

DSCR < 1

Principal + Interest = $1,700

Taxes = $350, Insurance = $100, Association Dues = $50

Total PITIA = $2200

Rent = $2000

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2000/2200 = 0.91

Since the DSCR is 0.91, we know the expenses are greater than the income of the property.

DSCR >1

Principal + Interest = $1,500

Taxes = $250, Insurance = $100, Association Dues = $25

Total PITIA = $1875 Rent = $2300

DSCR = Rent/PITIA = 2300/1875 = 1.23

DSCR lenders generally let you vest either individually or as an LLC. It's a great way to increase your net worth and these loans can also be used to pull cash out of a property as it appreciates allowing you to reinvest money into new deals.

Happy to connect to discuss further. 

Thank you! Are DSCR usually fixed rates? Do they require annual DSCR tests? Do I need to refi to pull cash out? I see you referenced that so curious how that works. Does LLC as borrower have a higher rate than if it were personal? What if the LLC would be brand new with no financial history? Assuming DSCR is greater than 1, are the rates usually better than 30 yr fixed. Is there an I/O option?

Post: Where Are The Deals!?

Selina GiarlaPosted
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
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I'll start here... I have 8 doors. I have been involved in many facets of real estate. I am not a newbie but my portfolio is small and I am eager to grow it fast. I like to stick with 2-4 unit properties so I don't need a commercial loan, and I don't have a ton of cash in the event of a massive vacancy or capital investment, so more expensive isn't necessarily in my wheelhouse. I recently started out of state investing in Texas. Since I am out of state, I like to avoid the uncertainty of older home and prefer new builds or houses that are within 10 years old, max. I prefer Texas because it's a landlord friendly state, there is no state income tax so I don't need to file taxes in TX and MA (where I am from), the tenant's pay for a lot of the repairs, maintenance, etc. and there are no snow removal costs. Construction/Labor is cheap and its a growing state with respect to population, and lack of available housing.

All this being said...I CANNOT find a good deal. The houses are expensive, the rents haven't caught up, the int rates are through the roof, and the rent alone cannot even cover the operating expenses and debt service, nevermind turn a profit. Even if I go up to 50% equity, and zero out my vacancy factor, cost to lease, R&M and CapEx underwriting, I barely turn a profit (a few hundred a month). I want find a deal and put in an offer within the next 2 months. How are you all finding anything that makes sense?!

 I live on the beach in FL and do all my biz for many years in the Cleveland markets, deals everywhere. All my personals have always been not less than 20% NET cap based on cash purchases. I will close this week on a duplex all in full reno 80k, rented for 19k a year. Sf all in 75k, rented for 1300. TODAY I will go to contract on a 2 br all in will be 45k, rented for 1k. Again best part I am on the beach in FL, 

Good luck 

BTW whoever is telling you to avoid props older then 10 years old, simple has no clue what they are doing. Every property I flipped (about 500 YES 500 )  or owned was built between 1910- 1930. They were built better back then, 


 Such great numbers! Do you hold long term ever? I struggle between investing all cash or debt because my strategy is more towards holding long term. How do you source a reliable contractor to do renovations out of state? And who is "watching" them?

Quote from @Robin Simon:
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I have been striking out in underwriting with 30 yr fixed rates, the math just isn't working out for me to make any cash flow and the debt service monthly expense is wiping out any NOI and thus my yield. So... I am considering pivoting to interest only loans with a refi plan. Problem is... I used to use Bankrate to see a wide variety of rate options for quick underwriting and that website doesn't allow me to get rates for the I/O ARMs for multi family rentals. I really want to understand how those rates are comparing today against 30yr fixed. What are they and where can I easily find them so I don't need to fill out any forms? Credit exceeds 830. Are any lenders giving out I/O ARMS with no points and are the rates lower than 30yr fixed? Any other creative financing or options?


 When you say multifamily - what type (# of units) are you looking at?  This is going to determine the options - 

Generally three buckets:

1) 2-4 Unit

2) 5-10 Unit

3) 11+


 I am open to 2-10 units. If I am going cash i can only afford 2-4 max. If I can get creative with financing, maybe I can do between 5 and 10. Im not comfortable going more than that. 

Quote from @Carlos Ptriawan:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:

I have been striking out in underwriting with 30 yr fixed rates, the math just isn't working out for me to make any cash flow and the debt service monthly expense is wiping out any NOI and thus my yield. So... I am considering pivoting to interest only loans with a refi plan. Problem is... I used to use Bankrate to see a wide variety of rate options for quick underwriting and that website doesn't allow me to get rates for the I/O ARMs for multi family rentals. I really want to understand how those rates are comparing today against 30yr fixed. What are they and where can I easily find them so I don't need to fill out any forms? Credit exceeds 830. Are any lenders giving out I/O ARMS with no points and are the rates lower than 30yr fixed? Any other creative financing or options?


 I think you really have trouble understanding loan product. 
With interest only product of course the rate would be higher. Why ? there's more risk to the lender !

But is IO product good ? yes, this product is good if there're two aspect on top of it :
1. asset is appreciating faster than mortgage rate , and second
2. you plan to sell the asset quickly , like in year 2 or 3. Why ?
because with 30YFRM 7% rate, the aggregated principal payment is so low that it's almost meaningless anyway, so IO product can make verything great again.............. as long as you plan to sell it quick.

But this product is terrible in two conditions :
1) when rate is low
And/or
2) if you plan to sell on year 15.

Hm, I understand your point in theory about selling in 2yrs v. 15 yrs.... but whats so bad about getting I/O arm and seeling in 15 or just refinancing it when the I/O period ends? Im effectively tying up 25% equity but getting cash flow YoY wothkut really ever needing to own the asset. And if real estate trends exactly how it has been over decades,  Then it will eventually grow its on slow and steady equity.

Post: Where Are The Deals!?

Selina GiarlaPosted
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  • Votes 15
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Wow lot of people coming at you for this post and your struggles.  I think this is a more than fair post.  I also do not think you are trying to start a new career finding motivated sellers some other people are really trying to get you to work.  All though knowing what you have to spend would be helpful.  I would imagine you have at least 50k-100k to utilize.  You mention rents not keeping with prices.  Rents will catch up in nearly any place you buy.  There is just not enough homes available. Some experts say as many as 5.5 million homes short.  We can say 3 million to be conservative.  You will see upward pressure on rents.  People who cannot buy will continue to be forced to rent.  Especially for the entry level homes.  I think you just need to possibly look a little more east and maybe deal with some snow.  Plenty of new homes that can cash flow with 20% down at a 7% interest rate.  Instead of buying 2-4 units buy 2 units in a BTR community.  I am in Orange County and nothing cash flows here without at least 50% down.  So out of state is the only play for me.  Happy to connect on what I have found out there.  States I like Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Indiana. With some interest and more research to do in the Cleveland and Kansas City areas.  I also like north Florida but it is getting a bit too expensive.  


 Thank you for your kind response. I work full time as a VP at an institutional asset management firm and work probably 50+ hours a week, commute 3 hours a day and travel 25-30% for my job. I have two young kids under 4 and manage 6 doors locally. I am doing my best to find deals but only have been looking on zillow/retail since I don't know how to find anything off market and as you can see... every moment of my day is accounted for and it's a little harsh for folks to berate me for this. My husband and I had no mentors, no houses handed to us, we worked hard and slowly created this portfolio of 8 doors and our own home and want to scale our investments but feel like we are in a choke hold. If anyone is considerate enough to help share some listings I can underwrite that they aren't willing or able to purchase, please help me out. I would love to connect on what you are finding in Alabama, Tennessee, Georgia and Indiana. I am particular on the state income tax rate, and if the state is a red state/landlord friendly. I haven't looked into those 4 much. Thoughts? DM might be easier. Thanks again!

That's a lot on your plate, and you need to start buying time. First off, you need to live closer to work kill that 3 hour commute. I know easier said than done, but sacrifice elsewhere for it. Secondly, quit managing doors & hire a PM get that nonsense off your plate. Cut that commute to 1 hour a day and take those doors to 0 for direct management.

Then, in regards to this, you need to connect with people off of facebook, real estate meet ups in a few localities you want to get into that fit your criteria. Landlord friendly seems to be yours, so red states should be the focus. Narrow down the states, then the cities based off the criteria you want to invest in. Then go take some time off work, visit those cities, go to a happy hour and shake some hands. Be prepared to visit this same area 2-3 times(maybe just on weekends) to get a real feel for the city, the areas, etc., and once you build a network of off-market folks, an understanding of the neighborhood you can take full advantage of the stuff they are showing you.

Right now, you're a casual shopper looking at the retail stores wanting the bargains. It doesn't work that way, the one's in the grind are finding the bargains and putting it for sale at the retail store for you. You're swapping time differently, it's all what you prefer to do as I would approach it very differently. And I'm not talking with no experience on this, I have 3 kids going onto 4 here in a week, have a dozen small businesses, and 40 + houses. Yet I still have time to post on this board, study the markets and see where I want to invest because I buy time. Teams, systems in place, and learning to let go are paramount to truly scaling.

Good advice. I cant/dont want to move. We got our home in a town exactly where we want to raise our family and love our home and neighborhood. I think if I can find out where to get listings off market as you suggested, my underwriting would be more fruitful for sure. Finding care overnight is tough to travel but I understand the importance.

Post: Where Are The Deals!?

Selina GiarlaPosted
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Quote from @Guy Gimenez:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:
Quote from @Guy Gimenez:

@Selina Giarla

Sounds like your sourcing your "deals" from the MLS (retail market), which means you're paying retail most of the time. It's always hard to cash flow retail deals which is why most investors market heavily to locate motivated sellers. Profitable deals are found primarily off market through dedicated marketing or through relationships.


 I would love to understand how to get into the club of these off-market deals. Where do I start and what makes them "off-market"? You are correct, I am only involved in searches on zillow, crexi, and the like. Would love your guidance here.


 Off market sellers need to find you, not vice versa. 

 1. SEO

2. Pay Per Click

3. Social media ads

4. Relationships with other investors and/or bird-dogs (ie deal finders)

5. Driving for dollars

How and on what platform do I let them know I am looking? LOL

Post: Where Are The Deals!?

Selina GiarlaPosted
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:

I'll start here... I have 8 doors. I have been involved in many facets of real estate. I am not a newbie but my portfolio is small and I am eager to grow it fast. I like to stick with 2-4 unit properties so I don't need a commercial loan, and I don't have a ton of cash in the event of a massive vacancy or capital investment, so more expensive isn't necessarily in my wheelhouse. I recently started out of state investing in Texas. Since I am out of state, I like to avoid the uncertainty of older home and prefer new builds or houses that are within 10 years old, max. I prefer Texas because it's a landlord friendly state, there is no state income tax so I don't need to file taxes in TX and MA (where I am from), the tenant's pay for a lot of the repairs, maintenance, etc. and there are no snow removal costs. Construction/Labor is cheap and its a growing state with respect to population, and lack of available housing.

All this being said...I CANNOT find a good deal. The houses are expensive, the rents haven't caught up, the int rates are through the roof, and the rent alone cannot even cover the operating expenses and debt service, nevermind turn a profit. Even if I go up to 50% equity, and zero out my vacancy factor, cost to lease, R&M and CapEx underwriting, I barely turn a profit (a few hundred a month). I want find a deal and put in an offer within the next 2 months. How are you all finding anything that makes sense?!

 Go out of state. I know dozens that live overseas and all across America, including me and do all their business in the Midwest Double digit net caps are the norm. I get deals sent to me daily. I just locked up 7 more SF all will have about 15% or better net caps. 

All the best 


 Hi there! I haven't investigated rentals in the midwest. Where in particular are you seeing good returns? Do you have any deals you would be willing to share? Are they rehabs? Multi-family? Are you holding for cash flow or are they short term equity flips?

There is NO soliciting in this forum. 


 What am I soliciting? I am curious about strategy?

Quote from @Stacy Raskin:

@Selina Giarla, what kind of loan are you trying to do and is it for an investment property? If so, what state and what are the details? There may be some additional loan programs depending on the situation. 

It would be for a rental. I was aiming for texas but open to other landlord friendly states so long as the numbers work. I just need an idea of where to start. I have no idea... is the 10/1 int only ARM at 9%, 7%? Pts, no pts? Not sure.

Post: Where Are The Deals!?

Selina GiarlaPosted
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:

I'll start here... I have 8 doors. I have been involved in many facets of real estate. I am not a newbie but my portfolio is small and I am eager to grow it fast. I like to stick with 2-4 unit properties so I don't need a commercial loan, and I don't have a ton of cash in the event of a massive vacancy or capital investment, so more expensive isn't necessarily in my wheelhouse. I recently started out of state investing in Texas. Since I am out of state, I like to avoid the uncertainty of older home and prefer new builds or houses that are within 10 years old, max. I prefer Texas because it's a landlord friendly state, there is no state income tax so I don't need to file taxes in TX and MA (where I am from), the tenant's pay for a lot of the repairs, maintenance, etc. and there are no snow removal costs. Construction/Labor is cheap and its a growing state with respect to population, and lack of available housing.

All this being said...I CANNOT find a good deal. The houses are expensive, the rents haven't caught up, the int rates are through the roof, and the rent alone cannot even cover the operating expenses and debt service, nevermind turn a profit. Even if I go up to 50% equity, and zero out my vacancy factor, cost to lease, R&M and CapEx underwriting, I barely turn a profit (a few hundred a month). I want find a deal and put in an offer within the next 2 months. How are you all finding anything that makes sense?!

 Go out of state. I know dozens that live overseas and all across America, including me and do all their business in the Midwest Double digit net caps are the norm. I get deals sent to me daily. I just locked up 7 more SF all will have about 15% or better net caps. 

All the best 


 Hi there! I haven't investigated rentals in the midwest. Where in particular are you seeing good returns? Do you have any deals you would be willing to share? Are they rehabs? Multi-family? Are you holding for cash flow or are they short term equity flips?

I do all my biz in the Cleveland markets, rentals, 15-20% net caps based on cash purchases.  SF MF, 
Do you have any MF listings you would be willing to share? How is the state with respect to landlord/tenant law? Who handles common area maintenance (snow/lawn)? 
Quote from @Caroline Gerardo:
Quote from @Selina Giarla:

Thank you all very much. With the DSCR... what happens if I can't make the ratio month over month (ie: vacancy drops for a period.)


 You make it based on lease and what the appraiser determines is market rent minus a factor. You only need to qualify to close the loan. If is a commercial loan you have to keep the rents there in five years when the loan is due, assuming rates are the same or better. For example: Right now an investor whose commercial multi family qualified at 4 % in 2019 maybe cannot make the grade at 8% today so that investor would need to pay the loan down with cash to qualify or sell.

So there are personal and commercial DSCR loans? Whats the difference?

Also, not following about "cannot make the grade at 8%"?