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All Forum Posts by: Sean OToole

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Post: Good Websites

Sean OToolePosted
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  • Truckee, CA
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@Christian Belleque you'll want to go to the Orange County Recorder, not the Orange County Courthouse. You'll need to go in person to read the documents for free. I think you'll find that $50/mo is pretty cheap after spending a day down there. ;-)

@Joe Homs Thanks for being a customer!

Post: Title searching on California foreclosure auctions

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My customers buy about $200m worth of properties at the trustee sales per month, and I've personally purchased 150. Of my 150 purchases my highest profit deals were ones where I identified something in the title that guys with 20 years of experience missed. Whereas they relied on a call to title co, I became a title expert as a way to differentiate in a competitive market. I have some of the craziest title stories you'll find in the industry, including buying a property where the hard money lender filed a subordination agreement the night before the sale to try and saddle me with what was just hours earlier a large second. So my recommendation, of course, is to become a title expert. But many aren't title experts, do rely on verbals from title co's, and have done quite well buying at trustee sale.

To that end let me try to summarize:

1. There is title risk buying at trustee sale. Period. There are no guarantees, even if you're are the best darn title researcher on the planet. And even if you have done a perfect search, anyone can sue you for anything. I've been sued a couple times by people claiming something different then what I found on title. Fortunately I won every time, but its expensive, time consuming and no fun.

2. Title is not that hard to figure out on MOST properties. A reasonable percentage are purchase money first mortgages going to sale, which are frankly pretty safe. Stick to these as you get started. IRS liens are fairly rare, and even when they occur aren't a huge financial risk, just a delay, or the possibility the IRS will buy it back from you with no profit. Most other liens and judgements are almost always junior to the loan you are buying and will be wiped out, as pretty much no lender will make a loan to someone with outstanding judgements (except perhaps a purchase money loan which is protected from those anyway). Where you need to start being careful is on buying junior loans, and refinanced loans. On those you need to carefully search for a reconveyance on every prior loan. Where you need to be most careful is when dealing with loans made by private or hard money lenders, anytime there are subordination agreements, and when there is a lot of lien and judgement activity. At that point you better be an absolute expert and have the financial wherewithal to fight it out. Or you can simply pass on those, easy enough.

Finding reconveyances, liens, judgements, etc is accomplished by doing a name search at the county recorder. This is the other thing that can get tricky, especially if the owner doesn't have a unique name as you'll need to wade through lots of documents to figure out which documents belong  to your party or not. Again, this typically isn't terribly hard for most properties. Occasionally you'll find one that's a mess. On those you really need to ask yourself if you want to take the risk, or just skip it and move on.

3.  @Ron Drake is right about not trying to "piggy-back" on more experienced investors. Following a successful investor and just bidding $100 more seems like a great strategy, and can actually work. The problem is that experienced investors typically spot that's what you are doing, and then they bid you up to where you are taking a loss to teach you a lesson. Risky on their part as they could end up with it if you get cold feet, but they typically can afford that loss, so they find it a game worth playing.

4. Ron Drake is also right that PropertyRadar, like every other service in this industry, including title companies, is not 100% accurate. We don't claim to be, and you'll find warnings to that point throughout the product. That said, I, as a title expert, who also has a high tolerance for risk, can and have bought properties using nothing more what we provide. Note that I am NOT in any way recommending that YOU do that. My only point here is that as your knowledge of the trustee sale process and of title grow, so will your appreciation for what a service like this offers.

@Chad U. Thanks for the stats! We see similar numbers. Based on your 1 of 10 that go to a 3rd party, if you are competitive enough to buy 1 out of 5 of those, you are doing about 50 title searches per property purchased, which is the estimate I provided above.

Post: Title searching on California foreclosure auctions

Sean OToolePosted
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@Simon Campbell I don't disagree that it's important, but I've never met a pro that pays $100 per property to do it. Perhaps you guys don't see as many cancelled sales in Florida, or it's not very competitive in your area. In the west, it's not unusual to have to research 50-100 properties to buy 1. You'd have no chance of competing if you paid $100 per search.

Post: California HOA foreclosure

Sean OToolePosted
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  • Truckee, CA
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Just a couple of things to add:

1. There is no difference in how overages are handled between HOA, and regular foreclosure sales in CA. The only substantive difference between the 2 is the 90 day right of redemption on HOA foreclosures.

2. I'd be careful regarding the super senior status of HOA liens in Nevada. Though that was the decision by the NV Supreme Court, the bankers are working to overturn it legislatively, and retroactively. Will be interesting to watch.

3. Per Rick's point, PropertyRadar only includes voluntary liens, so while its a great starting point, the pre-populated data is not sufficient to be considered a complete title search.

Post: Title searching on California foreclosure auctions

Sean OToolePosted
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@Account Closed paying for title reports is pretty tough to make work. I'm not aware of a single auction buyer that does that, at least in the Western US. With so many properties getting cancelled before sale, you'd go broke. Plus it takes too long.

Post: Pulling Comps

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  • Truckee, CA
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Having access to the MLS is a key source of comps - it is useful because it doesn't only show what is listed, like the sites you mention, but also what is pending, expired, etc. which all provide clues as to the state of the market.

Second, you want a source of public record comps, as more and more deals are happening "off-mls", and these too provide important insight into the state of the market. Ideally that source will tell you the type of comp - REO, shortsale, flip, etc.

Finding the best comps is more art then science. It also depends a bit on your goals.

Two keys in my mind:

1. Understanding comps from a buyers perspective - at this level you really need to get off the computer and go look at houses. Any impression you have from comps out of the computer will be easily trumped by the knowledge of a buyer who is actually out looking at houses. Not getting in the field enough is a key investor mistake imho. 

2. Understanding the comps from an appraisers perspective. Even with all the talk of cash deals, the majority of sales (60-70%) require financing. Lots of pressure on appraisers to be conservative. Best to understand what comps they are most likely to use - ie the most obvious and easiest to defend. Requires high art to convince them to use your comps.

Post: Pre-Foreclosure Resources

Sean OToolePosted
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  • Truckee, CA
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@Samantha Lotti I'd be happy to answer your questions, I will send you an invite to connect.

Post: Pre-Foreclosure Resources

Sean OToolePosted
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  • Truckee, CA
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Originally posted by @Nghi Le:

@Samantha Lotti 

I've actually changed my strategy away from Pre-Foreclosures (especially after learning about the Distressed Homeowner Act in Washington state), so I didn't get a chance to use propertyradar.  I'm also a little wary of any automated comping engine and just use Redfin and my realtor now for comps.

Note that Redfin and your Realtor are focused on what is in the MLS, so you may miss off-market comps with that approach.

Post: Pre-Foreclosure Resources

Sean OToolePosted
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  • Truckee, CA
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Originally posted by @Stefanie Marshall:

I use foreclosure radar too, it's been great for us. A few times though it doesn't show all the houses that are on auction that day, especially when it's an auction.com auction. I always double Check the site to make sure I'm not missing houses.

 Hi Stefanie - if you see that occur please report it immediately to my staff - [email protected]. Auction.com supplies us updates throughout the day and we should never be out of sync.

Post: Rental Inspections (City)

Sean OToolePosted
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  • Truckee, CA
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If access to it isn't necessary to get reasonable rent, you might inquire if locking off the illegal basement would be sufficient.