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All Forum Posts by: Sean Kelly-Rand

Sean Kelly-Rand has started 4 posts and replied 61 times.

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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Quote from @Steve Tse:

Following this discussion makes me wonder what should companies and for that part investors do if they have over $250k in liquid cash ?

Should the funds be evenly spread among various FDIC insured banks ?


 Steve that is one option, even better is to put it into treasuries / securities in your name depends on the cash sums. One wake up call is that you have accounts earning 0% or near it and then to wake up and find out they are not that safe when you can earn 4% in safer investments. I am going to put a bit more in private credit. 

Post: 37 year old married dentist trying to crest financial freedom

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If we estimate your expenses as 50% of rent (Property tax, insurance, HOA, vacancy, maintenance/cap ex, PM) your return is ~3.2%. This is terrible especially if you can get ~5% with no effort and virtually no risk from either money market or CD. Note there are other options that also seem far better than the return you will achieve on your home without leverage.

If you sell you will meet the 2 of 5 years occupancy requirement in November 2023 to have no tax based on gain.  I would live in the house until at least November and sell it. I would not try to operate such a house as a rental from a far (exception for if you plan to move back to SAn Diego in the future).  If you are moving to Boston, you would be better served buying a home in Boston than renting out one in San Diego while renting a RE in Boston.  Especially seeing that after renting 3 years, you will lose your owner-occupied gains exemption.  Also your rent to value ratio on your home is poor.  This is common with ex-homes.  This is because the RE was purchased to be a good home for you and your family and not necessarily to be a good RE investment.

If RE is your goal, keep educating.  Start by considering and researching what I indicated above.  Look into expenses and the 50%.  Look into 2 of 5 year rule.  Look into what is considered a good rent to value ratio.  Research the power of leverage.

Good luck


Thanks for the feedback. I'll look into all that. How are you getting those numbers though? House is 840k cash. HOA 178 and yearly tax is right at 10k. Rent should go for around $4500 a month. No matter what it's still about $3500 cash flow positive monthly. It's brand new development and don't got too much expenses for maintenance or anything. I'm not worried about renting from afar personally. I agree, I don't plan on holding this property forever because I think the equity alone can help build a better portfolio with better rent to value ratio. It's in upcoming area but I don't foresee appreciation to skyrocket ever.


Prop tax is ~19%. Vacancy to include unit refresh time, finding tenant (including credit/back ground checks, and waiting for tenant notice period with current LL) will be at least 5% (possibly less if you were large enough to have employees already available to do the work but that is not the case with 1 unit), HOA 4%, maintenance/cap ex 10% ($450/month on a house of your size. Even though items are new their lifespan has started. Example if you have asphalt shingles and replacement is $10k (you may have tile with longer life and higher cost so works out to be close to same) at 20 years is $500/year or just over $40/month. Do this for all items and you will get ~$450/month for your RE. I used to do spreadsheet on each of my offers as part of underwriting but after a half dozen or so I could estimate fairly accurately what the spreadsheet would show. My lowest pro forma for a unit that HOA covers no maintenance is $250/month for a small, attached studio), Pm 8% (include it even if self managing because it is work and requires effort. It may also have some challenges from a far that lead you to desire to hire a PM (PMs are not getting rich on their fees), insurance ~4%, miscellaneous ~3% (things like LLC, umbrella policy, rental unit tax, accountant tax person, etc)

Roughly: 18+5+4+10+8+4+3=53%.  

If you want to self manage and not allocate any value for your time, subtract 8% and you are at 45%. 

The 50% rule seems to be fairly accurate with a quick estimate of your expenses not including mortgage service (which you currently have no mortgage). 

Good luck

Thanks for that thorough analysis. I really appreciate it. You are right about the value of this property. 900k can go along way for me in more rural areas of Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island. I’ve literally been seeing multi families in providence (9 bedrooms) going for 500-600k with average bedroom renting for $800 a month. Same for areas like Worcester Roxbury dorchester. I would never buy in boston proper area. But you got me thinking. I should sell. Hit the Nov 2023 mark for 2 of 5 rule. Pocket 900ish cash and begin my journey on investment in east coast. I’m going to DM you. Have direct question about two of five rule. 

 100% @Ramin M. - that's a huge consideration if it's been an owner occupied property. Sell it today save on taxes and then redeploy in a year or two when it's cheaper in and around Boston. Once you start looking you may find a few really good deals. Providence is a good option but I'm still partial to the lower cost areas of Boston as you are right there in the center of all the economic activity. 

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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@Scott Trench @Sean Kelly-Rand Has the fed just set a precedent with SVB of bailing out all depositors if other banks go under? If so, does 250K FDIC threshold even mean anything? Treasury yields have plummeted today and ever since the SVB news we're seeing cracks now forming the economy. We might not be too far away from even lower interest rates should more signs of a recession/economic problems start to show face. Lower rates mean upward pressure on home prices.


 Hey Dan - I think the cracks were already there SVB just made the wider public more aware of what they were. Now everyone is a banking analyst and starts seeing the cracks in the system (low earning assets versus high cost of capital). 

I doubt rates would get meaningfully lower in the near future longer-term (2-3 years) maybe.

In the meantime I'm investing in private credit to be below the waves of the property price volatility. 

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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Quote from @Steve Tse:

Following this discussion makes me wonder what should companies and for that part investors do if they have over $250k in liquid cash ?

Should the funds be evenly spread among various FDIC insured banks ?

 @Steve Tse - I would consider diversifying regardless, even if the bank is fine you never know what lies ahead. For our fund we are very conscious about how we spread our fund among banks and investments (i.e. capital preservation is paramount!). 

And personally I have funds across 3-5 banks at anyone time - also helps for the lending relationships and if they know you can move money out easily you'll get better rate on your deposits.

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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100% @Carlos Ptriawan - I am really curious where all the office loans are hiding out. Who holds the ultimate risk on soon to be underwater office loans. Is it the national or regional banks or did much of it get sold off into the pension plans/insurance co's as CMBS/loan participations.

One interesting portion is that many smaller investors focus on residential properties because they are 'bite sized' - office buildings are too large for the average investor to hold - so that is within the REITs/Insurance cos/and Private Equity funds - so it could be a really bad real for the institutions that hold these. 


 I read some big office space in NY went bankrupt and that's owned by the former President and Vanguard's level.


 Lot's more of this to come as office leases burn-off and tenants consolidate into smaller spaces. 

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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It will be short but brutal for some. Silicon Valley though needs a deep cleansing after Theranos and even WeWork and Uber not withstanding they forced out their CEO/Founders. 

Peter Thiel should be commended for getting his founders out. We got to see David Sacks and Jesse Draper grovel for taxpayer money. Remember there is no Theranos with Jesse Draper and her Dad propping up Elizabeth Holmes from the getgo. 


 Sorry but Peter Thiel cause the crash to happen. And now a bunch of VCs are talking about comiting to buy in if they get certain things. THis isn't Thiel warning about impending crash this is thiel causing the crash and trying to pivot afterwards,

And the only reason fed might agree is they don't want the big 3 to get bigger. 


 Thiel should be commended for what he did. Moved his founders and his money. The problem with Silicon Valley is that for every Peter Thiel there are 10 Elizabeth Holmes and Jesse Draper types!


 Cool you love Thiel. As I just said he purposely caused the crash and is now trying to profit off it leveraging federal govt stepping in because they don't want the big 3 to get bigger. 

Nothing to be commended. The man is a turd trying to firesale the country. Playing with the banking system like this should end up with fines - no different than what musk did around twitter. Except the health of our country and for that matter the globe relies on those credit markets flowing. 

It's literally lighting a nuclear version of fishing with dynamite.... 


 I'm shorting banks as we speak. 


 Hey Nate - if you are down on the banks you might consider private credit as an investment. We are seeing the volume of new loans and a lot of it is banking clients (banks aren't doing that much lending) and are able to increase our rates and lower our LTVs. DM me if you're interested happy to chat more about it.

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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100% @Carlos Ptriawan - I am really curious where all the office loans are hiding out. Who holds the ultimate risk on soon to be underwater office loans. Is it the national or regional banks or did much of it get sold off into the pension plans/insurance co's as CMBS/loan participations.

One interesting portion is that many smaller investors focus on residential properties because they are 'bite sized' - office buildings are too large for the average investor to hold - so that is within the REITs/Insurance cos/and Private Equity funds - so it could be a really bad real for the institutions that hold these. 

Post: SVB Impacts to Real Estate

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@Scott Trench - 100% it takes time and better to do in depth than just surface on the same as CNN.  I'm looking forward to the content!

This week it's more the closings than the overall deposits. It's a hastily delivered post however I was handling calls all weekend from fellow investors so figured if I can save just one investor on biggerpockets with a few warnings than it was worthwhile.

For example is a mom and pop investor in Boston goes to buy a triple decker they are likely wiring $500K+ into an escrow account for the closing. Luckily the FDIC/FED stepped in as many escrow accounts are with Boston Private (SVB) and quite a few are with First Republic as well (and its my view that without the backstop that would have fallen today).

One might be surprised what the average real estate investor carries in cash in the Boston market. You can't get a house for less than $1m so amounts are relatively large. I am guessing there are several hundred thousand individuals on BP that have over $250K liquid. 

As an aside: We actually keep our cash on hand relatively low, if we carry cash equivalents its in an account holding treasuries etc... to fund transactions we pull from multiple lines of credit secured by the loans we own (that way we don't have to sit on $1m of cash to fund a $1m mortgage). 

I am glad to see the FED/FDIC stepped in as it protected a number of people. We aren't out of the woods yet but a step in the right direction.

Love the discussion here.

Post: Tier One Procedure

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@Jillian Campayno - I don't know who has a better grasp on MA tenant landlord law than Jordana!

If you own rentals in Boston you should listen in she's a wealth of knowledge and with the new rent control rules being proposed now it's more important than ever. Colin you should have someone from our team attend.

Post: 37 year old married dentist trying to crest financial freedom

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@Ramin M. - I'm an investor and lender in Boston and can introduce you to few resources/networking events when you get here on the ground. We host events for developers every so often so worthwhile to follow us on IG and LinkedIn for announcements. 

I own multi's and am starting to see a few good deals prices and interest rates are high but so are rents (and by the time you are ready to buy prices should be even more interesting). I'm actually looking at a few portfolios in Providence as well, and Worcester has also seen tremendous growth. Personally I'm a big believer in the Roxbury market in Boston - its reasonably priced and the rents are good. Regardless feel free to reach out and I'm happy to introduce you to the right people. 

@Alli Breighner - I was just told I should spend my winters in San Diego I hear its gorgeous!