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All Forum Posts by: Sean Gallagher

Sean Gallagher has started 19 posts and replied 147 times.

Post: COC returns, leveraged versus buying all cash

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
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So a good COC return is a lot easier to obtain when using leverage. When purchasing all cash on the same deal it's a lot more difficult to get a similar COC return, the numbers aren't even close. If purchasing all cash do we just accept a smaller COC return?

How differently are you analyzing deals when going all cash?  I liked the idea of cash because purchasing is a lot easier (don't have to deal with banks), a lot less risk, more cash flow per property.  And even though I would have a lot of cash tied up, I would always have the option to cash out refi.  Of course it's a give and take between the two..  higher risk higher return potential.  I just think I'd rather have 10 paid off properties vs 50 leveraged.

Post: Is the 1% rule dead?

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
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Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Hassan Asif:
Quote from @Saad D.:

Hi All,

I was wondering are you still using the 1% rule when doing quick and dirty new deal analysis? Is anyone out there still able to achieve the 1% rule and in which markets?

Recently I noticed I get to 0.7 or 0.8% at best (i.e. 100k purchase price, $700-800 rent per month). 

Excited to learn from you all!


The 1% rule is still a useful benchmark for quickly evaluating deals, but in today's market, it's becoming harder to achieve, especially in competitive or appreciating areas. That said, you should adapt your strategy based on the market conditions.

In lower-cost markets or areas with less competition, you might still be able to hit 1%. However, with rising property prices and rents not keeping pace, it’s becoming more common to see 0.7% to 0.8%. In those situations, focus on value-add opportunities—like rehab, repositioning, or optimizing expenses—that can increase the return on your investment.

Keep in mind, the 1% rule is just a quick filter. Always dig deeper into the numbers (cash flow, CapEx, etc.) before making any decisions.


 2% is my norm :) 

Are these section 8?  Pretty tough to get a B home in a nice neighborhood to meet the 2% rule.  Most likely going to be a C / section 8?

Post: Is the 1% rule dead?

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
  • Posts 151
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Dennis Maynard:

Just glancing over some of the responses this may be understood. The 1% rule states that your monthly rent should be 1% of the per unit price. It is a guideline more than a rule. If the numbers are close than you are in the ball park. It simply is a metric to measure that your odds of getting a return are better. It is still subject the mortgage rates and business plan to make the investment profitable. 


Correct, however 1% is NOT going to provide you with a good return. I will not buy anything unless I get 15- 20% NET per year based on cash purchase. All in for example, 75k, rent 1600, thats 2% + That gets me going :) 

15-20% net, so this is after any forecasted vacancy, repairs, property taxes etc.  Gonna be tough but doable.  Funny that some people do deals for much less.. for what they can get with a hysa.

Post: Is the 1% rule dead?

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
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From what I'm seeing the higher rents are getting harder to make work does anyone else notice this?  A lot of the homes that will rent for 2000 - 2500 are in much nicer areas which are the ones who have seen large increases in property values over the past years.  The 1000-1500/mo rents seem to be the most common?  Which just means we will have a lot more properties to reach our end goal versus a lot less homes that will rent for more to reach the same end goal.  More headaches.. humm  

Post: Cash on Cash Return for Fourplex Question

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
  • Posts 151
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Quote from @Jamie Banks:

Personally I wouldn't get into an investment that only provided a 5% CoC return. Savings rates through high yield savings accounts and CDs are almost at 5% (maybe 4% now) but they'll much more passive than real estate. Because of the manual effort that goes into real estate I expect at least a 15% cash on cash return for my investments. However, everyones financial situation is different!

Correct, I get that with little to no risk for doing nothing in a HYSA.

Post: Seeking Advice: Achieving Better ROI Than the 1% Rule in Real Estate Investments

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
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AI is taking over

Post: Is the 1% rule dead?

Sean Gallagher
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So those of you who are against the 1% rule or don't use it as a strong indicator, what is your preferred indicator on a deal, COC, ROI, cap rate? And if it's one of those what is your ideal number.

Post: Cash flow snowball/ tree tool?

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
  • Posts 151
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Quote from @Markus Shobe:

Use excel, that should do the trick. 


 Working with excel now, you're right!  I can set up the formulas to work in a way where 1 input can change numerous ones at the same time.  Works well.

Post: Cash flow snowball/ tree tool?

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
  • Posts 151
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Quote from @Dekota Oechsle:

Im not sure I completely understand what you're trying to calculate but I would go about it using Excel or Google Sheets and create a "master" and a separate sheet for each property.  Have the Master sheet reference each property sheet and have it add up.  


 So you have your first rental at the top, it cash flows, you then use that money for the next property, and then another property.  You could create a cash flow tree showing how you can snowball the income $ to purchase more and grow.  I've seen the visualization on a youtube video but can't remember which one lol.  Excel may work

Post: Cash flow snowball/ tree tool?

Sean Gallagher
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  • Texas
  • Posts 151
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Does anyone use a tool of some sort to plan out a cash flow tree with rentals?  Sometimes known as a cash flow snowball.  It's easy to draw out but it's not easy when you want to change your numbers since one thing effects the other.

I'm trying to find something where you can put your first rental at the top, type in it's cash flow and keep working your way down as you acquire more properties.  That's the short explanation, of course the more data points to enter the better.