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All Forum Posts by: Scott Trench

Scott Trench has started 153 posts and replied 2480 times.

Post: We Need Higher Density & Smaller Homes - Thoughts?

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At first, the idea of building smaller, dense, housing, and attempting to make it affordable appeals. It, in theory, makes a lot of sense! 

If we build more, dense, "dormitory-style" housing or similar, we can more efficiently house people, bring down costs, and everybody wins. 

The problem with that is this:

- It just doesn't make economical or practical sense for the newest housing to be the cheapest. 

Any new housing that is constructed reduces the cost of all housing downstream from it. 

Cheap housing only reduces the cost of other cheap housing

I am not going to move into a dormitory style house and raise my two year old in a location with poor schools and incredibly dense housing, unless I have no other option. 

If I have the option, I am going to move into a nice house, in a nice school district, with a yard, a couple of bedrooms, and the space to set things up the way I want them. 

When a builder builds a new house that meets my requirements, in my price range, I move out of my duplex and into that new house. 

This event is the act of making housing more affordable

Now, the older, house-hacked duplex comes on the market as a rental, lowering rental prices as another option available.

Someone else moves out of their rent by the room unit, and upgrades to the duplex. The unit they vacate unit goes on the market, giving the next person an opportunity to move out of their parent's basement, or get their first apartment. 

The nicest, most expensive housing should almost always be new construction. And, capitalism works to lower housing prices when this process is allowed to go into effect. 

Austin, TX is the poster child for capitalism working to this effect. 

Most new construction in Austin are luxury new apartments. As folks move from older buildings to these swanky new apartments, their old units come on the market. Austin, TX rents are down nearly 12% YoY. VERY little of that new construction is affordable housing. 

It's the building of the nice, new stuff, that makes the older stuff affordable. 

And so the cycle continues, and the standard of living in capitalist societies steadily improves... at least in markets where new construction is allowed.

Post: 2025-2026 Might Be One of the Best Stretches to Purchase Multifamily Since 2010-2011

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Every year, I post a macro analysis/predication for the upcoming year for multifamily real estate. If curious, here are the last two: 

Jan 2023: Multifamily Real Estate is At Risk of Crashing

Feb 2024: Multifamily is at High Risk of Continuing It's Historic Crash

I think that the title for my 2025 analysis (likely Jan/Feb publication will be something more like:

Multifamily is Finally Going to Hit Rock Bottom in Q2/Q3 2025 - Get Ready to Buy a LOT of it

As usual, I like to publish my draft thoughts here to get input from key players in the space and these forums, especially folks like @Brian Burke, to see if I am missing any high level areas, before I get into the weeds and look at the data more deeply and regionally. 

Here are the key themes I'm seeing get set up for 2025: 

Interest Rates Will be Holding Steady or going up: The yield curve (finally) uninverted this week, when the Fed signalled they will be more cautious about raising rates. But, to normalize, the 10-year will eventually trade at a 100-150 bps spread to the FFR. I am unconvinced that the new administration will meaningfully address the deficit and US credit will continue to erode gradually, contributing to rising rates. Further, long-term upward pressures on inflation remain, and will cause the Fed to be cautious with interest rates. 

Supply will be a Tale of Two Halves: 

In the multifamily sector, we will see another year of near-record setting supply hit the US. But, this will be front-end weighted and gradually slow towards the back half of the year. Expect another brutal year for investors in the South and Southwest, particularly in Texas and Florida, and particularly in Austin, TX - perhaps the worst positioned market in the United States for returns in year 2025. 

In the second half of the year, market by market, the supply will slow to near record lows, which will be a key theme in 2026. Expect YoY rents to stay flat or decline slightly in the first 6-9 months of 2025, and for them to start growing YoY materially in Q4. 

2026 will see rents explode - I think they could even grow as much as 10% YoY. We will only see ~240,000 units delivered in 2026, a much more moderated level. If interest rates stay high, and I think they will, we will see huge tailwinds for rent growth - to the point where "the rent is too damn high" people will begin to get extremely disgruntled and rowdy over the course of 2026. 

No trigger will materially change demand: 

What's notable about the last two and a half years is that rents have largely stayed flat. This is not normal in a rising interest rate environment. When interest rates rise, in a balanced market, rents should rise, as the alternative to renting - buying a home - becomes that much more expensive. We have not seen rents rise because of the above discussion on new construction. Demand for multifamily has been going up. It's just been met, or more than met, by the new construction. When new construction slows, demand will continue to remain strong, and that is what will drive rents up in 2026 and maybe Q4 (possibly Q3 in some markets) in 2025. 

Expenses will level off: 

Multifamily operators have been plagued by expense increases in the form of taxes and insurance, for the last few years, especially in the south, and especially in Florida and Texas. These increases will likely slow to pace more in line with inflation. Operators who were able to kick the can down the road may see huge increases with this year's insurance renewal or property tax bill, but there's no reason to expect another year of massive surges in operating costs. 

So What: 

So what do we do with the above, if you agree with my analysis? 

If you invested in large multifamily 3-4 years ago via syndication in the South, Southwest, or other boomtown: You are cooked. You've likely seen a 30-40% decline in asset value that could decline another 5-10% by end of year 2025. From the now, much lower, valuation, you have a path to recouping your capital over the next 5-7 years, but this is a disaster. It's also possible that you may be forced to sell by your lender. Buckle up, and prepare for total loss, or an additional capital call or two in 2025. This is especially true for investors in large Texas and Florida markets, with Austin, TX, perhaps being the worst positioned market for 2025 in the country. Consider petitioning your GP to stop their side business of disseminating long-form life, parenting, and fitness advice on Twitter and focus on salvaging what can be salvaged of the current portfolio.

If you are considering buying: Squirm a little longer. Sit on your hands a little longer. The market, if I'm right, may bottom out in Q3 2025. The folks who bought 3-5 years ago, as discussed, are cooked, and the market is likely to be ripe with many, many deals. Cash will be king, and buying in the 2H of 2023, particularly in late Q3 and Q4 has a reasonable shot at being at the bottom, or close to it, of this cycle. There is every reason to believe in strong rent growth in 2026, and those who can stockpile cash and go in with reasonably low leverage have a great shot at seeing high returns in the first year of their hold. 

I believe that those who buy multifamily in late 2025 and early 2026 have a chance at amazing returns relative to most other asset classes over the back half of the 2020s. 

Let me know what thoughts/reactions you have here, and I will incorporate into my more detailed blog publication coming in a few weeks.

Post: BiggerPockets app change my iPhone and the BiggerPocket app ?

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FYI - the App launched today. @Patrick Shep

@Patrick Shep Look for it in the App Store in the next 24-48 hours. 

Post: Excited (and Nervous!) to Start Our Real Estate Investment Journey

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Welcome to BiggerPockets, Rebecca!

@Tim Delaney is an investor in the Buffalo market and shares many of your views on its long term potential!

Best of luck, and if I lived nearby I think I’d be bullish on, and potentially investing in the area as well! 



Post: BiggerPockets app change my iPhone and the BiggerPocket app ?

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Quote from @Patrick Shep:

@Scott Trench  Still no update?

 We have an app now in beta that will soft launch by end of year! @Tiamo Wright is getting g this over the finish line. 

Post: RAD Diversified Review — It Wasn't Pretty

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@Rene Hosman - Could you please take care of this? I think that this is a reasonable request to remove a personal phone number from the forums. Let's just remove that phone number and leave everything else up, as per our usual policy.

Post: Is AN 800+ FICO CREDIT SCORE EVEN POSSIBLE?

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I've got one. It takes about 10 years of never missing a payment, using light leverage relative to your income, and using a tiny fraction of your available credit card limits.

Post: New Policy Idea: BiggerPockets to Send Wholesalers a $125 Bill For Every Solicitation

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We are considering a new policy at BiggerPockets and request feedback.

Idea: 

Update our website policy such that "Wholesalers" who break forum rules, solicit members, or submit requests to meet agents using our agent finder will be sent a $125 bill for each infraction. 

This will be baked into our website policy. Once billed, those in violation of the policy won't be able to rejoin BiggerPockets, including prohibition of the use of the agent/lender finder tools, forums, and private messaging system until their bill is paid. 

Our goal with this policy is to accomplish several things: 

- Encourage these "wholesalers" to bless some other real estate investing community with their presence

- Stop the SPAM

- Offset the several hundred thousand dollars per year in costs that spammers, too often "wholesalers" bring to the platform. 

Obviously, legitimate wholesalers, who abide by our forum rules, use the messaging systems appropriately, and do not pretend to be investors when contacting professionals in our network, are welcome and encouraged to carry on.

Post: What are your thoughts about Prenuptial agreements?

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Everyone has a prenuptial agreement. 

The difference is, if you don't specifically lay things out, you implicitly agree that the prenuptial agreement is the laws of the state you currently live in (or the future one you live in at the time of divorce)

Everyone has an estate plan too, by the same logic.  

My wife and I chose to write down our own rules for both our marital property and our estate, so that it doesn't go to whatever wacky CO law governs distribution of wealth.

Post: Post-Mint App Personal Finance Software Hunt

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Howdy! I personally use Stessa (included free with your pro/business account) and Monarch. Stessa for the rentals, Monarch for the other accounts (IRAs, brokerage accounts, cash, etc.)