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All Forum Posts by: Scott Passman

Scott Passman has started 63 posts and replied 437 times.

Post: Why are landlords being so singled out?!?

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672

@Anthony Wick I know landlords have been effectively demonized by the media for quite some time and there likely isn't much we can do about it at this point. As @Jay Hinrichs @Chris Baxter and @Bjorn Ahlblad mentioned the culture has shifted so far into an entitlement mindset and supposed haves vs. have nots that I feel like we just need to do our part to change that narrative locally.  

However, what's really surprised me is the number of threads on here recently where quite a few people have been doing the same thing to other posters. I don't expect all sunshine and rainbows, but we get enough of this evil landlord crap from the media and the public we don't need to be doing it to ourselves as well.   

Post: Why are landlords being so singled out?!?

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672

I have a hard time understanding why landlords are considered so different from other businesses and business owners. Even before COVID-19 came onto the scene, it has been a prevailing theme over the last year or two that cities and states are pushing more laws limiting the abilities of landlords to collect rent, evict tenants who don't pay, renovation and increase rents, and other regulations regarding how their business is operated.  Now with the impending crisis, rental property owners are being arm barred into dropping or foregoing rents and those who cannot or choose not to are being vilified by not only the public but even other property owners. 

 Some are in a great position financially that they can be very flexible and work with tenants which is great, but some others are not in as great a position and rely upon that rental income to pay the bills.  I think the majority of property owners are willing and want to work with tenants in whatever capacity they can or feel is necessary.  But to have such sweeping legislature and pressure placed upon property owners as a whole to give up some or all of their income for an indefinite amount of time is crazy.  It's like they think we are all wealthy, greedy and don't care about others which of course is completely false.  I love playing my part to provide a good home for others and I know many others do to. But at the end of the day, if bills can't be paid then there is no home for anybody.  Why are property owners so heavily singled out?

Post: How can we let tenants pay rent with their credit card?

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672

I understand the long-term financial impact of reduced rent vs. vacancy/turnover costs and I, along with most property owners, want to do my best to work with my tenants in this unprecedented and difficult time.  However, I am really struggling with all the posts on here and other forums about what we should/should not let our tenants do.  Our tenants are adults and are fully capable of making their own decisions.  

If a landlord is in a position that they could forego rent for a month or creatively restructure it rather than taking payment from a credit card, then that is fine. But if a tenant makes the decision that they want to pay their rent using a credit card, loan from friends or family, or any other means then they should be able to make that decision.  Someone said it best on another thread, but we are not their parents.  We can confirm with them if that is really how they'd like to proceed, but we should not have any moral obligation to stop them from making that decision.  

Post: New mindset since the Coronavirus

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
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I'm assuming you're speaking in particular to charging tenants who are directly effected by the coronavirus (ie are hospitalized, lost their job etc)?  In these specific cases, I do think landlords should be working directly with their tenants to work out a plan that can be a win-win for both sides. Perhaps it's accepting full/partial payment, rent deferment for a period of time with the intent of adding in extra payments over the rest of the lease to make it up, using the security deposit, forgiving rent for a month etc.  There are lots of ways, however, I think it should be worked out between the tenant and landlord and not mandated by other entities on how to respond (ie govt).  I can't get on board with the "they can't control it" viewpoint though.  People can't control a lot of things: car breaks down, tenant or kids get sick requiring them to miss work, reduction of hours at work etc. and I don't think owners are jerks by requiring tenants to continue to pay their rent through those instances.  We need to be empathetic as landlords, but tenants need to take ownership of their situations as well and be responsible with their money to be able to weather some setbacks.  

Post: Use this Covid-19 crisis to build trust with others

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
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Listening to the real estate radio guys podcast yesterday they brought up a great point I felt relevant to share:

-How you treat people and handle situations in a time of crisis is invaluable for building trust, relationships, and loyalty which will come back to you in spades in the future.

If we show we are reliable, follow through on our word, pay our contractors/lenders on time, and work with people in such an extreme time of crisis and uncertainty. Do you think those people will want to work with you again when things calm down? You better believe it. If someone comes through for me when times are tough, I won't hesitate to work with them when times are good. Use this time to show your partners, tenants, lenders, contractors, agents, etc. that you follow through no matter what and I can virtually guarantee that good will is going to come back to you down the line. Screw people over or refuse to pay on your agreed upon obligations in order to save a few bucks now is a great to burn your bridges and show people why they shouldn't work with you again.

Post: Use this Covid-19 crisis to build trust with others

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672

Listening to the real estate radio guys podcast yesterday they brought up a great point I felt relevant to share:

-How you treat people and handle situations in a time of crisis is invaluable for building trust, relationships, and loyalty which will come back to you in spades in the future. 

If we show we are reliable, follow through on our word, pay our contractors/lenders on time, and work with people in such an extreme time of crisis and uncertainty.  Do you think those people will want to work with you again when things calm down?  You better believe it.  If someone comes through for me when times are tough, I won't hesitate to work with them when times are good.  Use this time to show your partners, tenants, lenders, contractors, agents, etc. that you follow through no matter what and I can virtually guarantee that good will is going to come back to you down the line.  Screw people over or refuse to pay on your agreed upon obligations in order to save a few bucks now is a great to burn your bridges and show people why they shouldn't work with you again. 

Post: Inflation Coming Soon With Bailouts? - Where to Put $60,000 Cash

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672

@Will G. You asked how all this printed money could reach the public, well the fed just gave us an answer Monday night:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...

They have now committed "unlimited" money directly to US businesses and have completely circumvented the government. Regardless of the outcome, this is extremely concerning to see the fed make unconstitutional (though to be fair central banks are themselves unconstitutional) decisions without the approval of the government and nobody is stopping them.  

Post: Inflation Coming Soon With Bailouts? - Where to Put $60,000 Cash

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
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@Tony T. Thank you for posting this thread, I find it very valuable. Please don't mistake my thoughts and opinions for true understanding...This is all very complex stuff. I know a little bit about it and, like you, want to understand more. 

@Will G. Here are my thoughts to your questions.  Perhaps stagflation is a better term as opposed to pure inflation since it seems like inflation will occur but with less spending/economic growth and higher unemployment.  The fed has lifted reserve requirements for banks so they can lend an unlimited amount of money to businesses which would inevitably find its way into our hands.  Even though banks only had a fractional reserve requirement of 10-15% before, lending without requiring any reserve whatsoever is a very scary proposition. 

As far as I understand, I don't think you need to have money velocity to increase inflation.  There will always be necessity spending such as food.  For example, if you increase the amount of money everyone has but decrease the available food available.  People are going to essentially bid up the price because the demand is so high but the supply is so low.  So there may actually be fewer products purchased but since there is more money to spend and the demand for them is still there the costs go up. 

In regards to the feds ability to just raise interest rates and contract money supply when they want to pullback, they haven't been able to do that from the last time they did QE in 2008 and there is no reason to believe they could after this event.  When they tried to start raising interest rates again in 2018 and began to very slowly contract some of the money supply to decrease the balance sheet the market reacted and things began to slow.  The debt is so high and the resulting dependence upon low interest rate and inflation makes it virtually impossible to do those things without accepting that it will throw the economy into a recession.  Recessions are actually good for us and serve a vital role in the economic cycle to pullback on risky business/lending to keep the market stable.  However, no congressman is willing to allow this on their watch because they want to be re-elected so it's all been propped up for years trying not to let it happen on their watch. 

I'm not sure how debt default contracting the money supply will interact with all the new dollars pushed into the market.  Would love to learn more to get a better understanding. As I stated above, I am interested in this thread because I also want to understand more.  You brought up some good points and things to consider, so I'm open to learning more about it to understand it better.  Phil McAlister posted a good blog on here earlier: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

Post: Inflation Coming Soon With Bailouts? - Where to Put $60,000 Cash

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672

There have been many great points made on this thread and I’ve appreciated the different viewpoints and perspectives. Like everyone else, I am an armchair economist but like @Tony T. I have significant concerns about considerable inflation or, God forbid, hyperinflation in the coming years with the fed flooding literally trillions of dollars into the currency.

This is different than 2008 for many reasons, but in 2008 the currency was pushed into the markets which propped up the stock market and increased asset prices which is why over the last decade the price of assets (ie housing) has been skyrocketing. Also, amount of money the fed (and government) is promising is already at or greater than the total for the 2008 crisis….and they are just getting started. Especially with more fiscal stimulus, as opposed to just pure monetary stimulus, the inflation will hit consumer prices much harder and because of global reduction in production we have a deadly combination of trillions of dollars flooding the currency and fewer goods to purchase. This seems almost certain to drive prices up which would lead to an outcry of the public to get more money, which the fed and government has already shown willing to do, which could easily start a cycle of printing more and more worthless money to keep up with rising cost of goods. The catch being, the more money they print the more the goods cost thus leading to loss of control of the currency and hyperinflation.

The strength of the dollar is driving up hard right now because it is the world’s reserve currency and thus seen as a safe haven. But for the past decade central banks all over the world have been ditching their US dollars for more gold in a move to decrease reliance on the dollar. Yes, central banks all over the world are lowering interest rates and printing money too, but we are going to be leading the charge because our country was so levered up, overvalued, and in a poor state financially. Things were unraveling long before COVID-19 hit as the markets were already showing signs of trouble in 2018 when the fed tried to nominally raise the interest rates during a “booming” economy and the markets started to seize. In Q3 of last year the fed had to start pumping $50-250B per month into the lending markets because banks were afraid to lend….in supposedly the greatest economy ever. Things were seriously wrong before CV hit and this is now likely to unravel everything. Because our country and our corporate debt are so high, there is no capacity to handle any increase in interest rate, decrease in revenue, or loss of inflation. Savings are non-existent both for corporations and for the average American. In 2008, the fed and govt had to bail out the banks and automotive industry . Today, they are going to attempt to bail out nearly everybody. Once the federal deficits start rising to trillions of dollars per year the whole charade that we will somehow be able to pay countries back is likely to be over and if they lose faith in the dollar than our status as reserve currency is over.  Right now, the safest options to me seem to be gold/silver, real estate acquisition as long as you can afford monthly payments should renters not be able to pay, and diversifying investments outside of this country so you aren't solely dependent on the things denominated in the US dollar. 

Who knows how things will play out, and I love to see differing viewpoints and opinions as we all bring an array of experience, knowledge, and opinions to a very challenging and complex topic. I hope things play out better than I think.

Post: Be Careful If You Are Overleveraged

Scott PassmanPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Batavia, IL
  • Posts 452
  • Votes 672
Originally posted by @Scott Pearson:

It's encouraging to here these long term investors talk about owning property non-leveraged. I'm new to this game of REI and my one property is owned debt free.

Also interesting to note is there are no comments stating how dumb it is to not take the equity out of your real estate.  Either those commenters respect the long term investors posting or they are to nervous to even think about how great leverage is?

While I would never dare to say it's "dumb" to leave equity in your real estate, I will say that I purchased a turnkey property a year ago and am in the process of finishing up my refi right now to pull out 16k after increasing the value by 45k through reno upgrades.  I started this process before the Covid-19 crisis started up and I'm so thankful I decided to leave 30% equity in the property to take a lower interest rate and leave in more equity.  Once this closes (fingers crossed it still goes through), the 16k I am pulling out will allow me to pay the mortgage for nearly 2 years should I have to cover it myself.  Having that money on hand will be tremendously helpful to ride this out for a while should I lose my tenant or they have trouble paying. So pulling out equity can have major advantages so long as you retain some or all of it for reserves.