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All Forum Posts by: Scott Bowles

Scott Bowles has started 17 posts and replied 111 times.

Post: Realtors in the Portland, OR market

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53

@Robert Laird would you mind posting their contact info or something like that? Would love to get on their buyers list...

Post: Property management reccomendations

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@Scott Bowles

Recommend exploring as many sources as possible to get referrals AND cross-reference them to get as much accurate information as possible.

Check out NARPM.com, BP’s Property Manager Finder (BiggerPockets: The Real Estate Investing Social Network), etc.

Also, encourage you to learn from the mistakes of others - by reading posts here on BiggerPockets about owners not having their expectations met by their current Property Management Company.

To avoid going through the same poor experience, keep reading.

Even if someone gives you a referral here, do NOT make the mistake of assuming that the PMC will meet your expectations, just because they met the expectations of the referral source.

In our experience, the #1 mistake owners make when selecting a Property Management Company (PMC) is ASSUMING instead of CONFIRMING.

It's often a case of not doing enough research, as they don't know what they don't know!

Owners mistakenly ASSUME all PMCs offer the exact SAME SERVICES and PERFORM those services EXACTLY THE SAME WAY, so price is the only differentiator – so, they often select the first PMC they call or that calls them back!

So, the first question they usually ask a PMC is about fees - instead of asking about services and HOW those services are executed.

EXAMPLE: PMC states they will handle tenant screening – what does that specifically mean? What documents do they require, what credit scores do they allow, how do they verify previous rental history, etc.? You’d be shocked by how little actual screening many PMC’s do!

This also leads owners to ASSUME simpler is better when it comes to management contracts.

The reality is the opposite - if it's not in writing then the PMC doesn't have to provide the service or can charge extra for it!

A well written management contract should clearly spell out what is expected of both the PMC and the owner, to PROTECT both and avoid misunderstandings. Why do you think purchase contracts are so long and have such small print?

We recommend you get management contracts from several PMCs and compare the services they cover and, more importantly, what they each DO NOT cover.

EDUCATE YOURSELF - yes, it will take time, but will lead to a selection that better meets your expectations & avoids potentially costly surprises!

P.S. If you just hire the cheapest or first PMC you speak with and it turns into a bad experience, please don’t assume ALL PMC’s are bad and start trashing PMC’s in general. Take ownership of your mistake and learn to do the proper due diligence recommended above😊


 Thank you for the response there is some good info in here. At this point in my real estate career I have used about 6 companies so I am perhaps a bit jaded. I will take some of your suggestions onboard though!

Post: Property management reccomendations

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Caleb Brown:

Happy to send one to you


 Yes please!

Post: Property management reccomendations

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Jaycee Greene:

Hey Scott. Are you looking for PMs for residential properties?


 Yes specifically small multi family in the Raytown area. Thank you!

Post: Property management reccomendations

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53

Good afternoon,

Looking for recommendations for property management companies in Kansas City, MO. Any suggestions are appreciated.

Best regards,

Scott

Post: Newbie out of state investor looking to build network!

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Genesis Duncan:
Quote from @Scott Bowles:
Quote from @Genesis Duncan:
Quote from @Scott Bowles:
Quote from @Genesis Duncan:

Hi all!

My name is Genesis. I'm not quite new to BP, been lurking in these forums for over a year now, but thought it was time to introduce myself.

I have one SF rental in Portland, Oregon, and am looking to purchase our first out-of-state investment. Specifically interested in buy and hold SF or MF properties with a focus on cash flow. 

Currently looking at Iowa: Cedar Rapids/Quad Cities and Ohio: Cleveland/Akron/Dayton. Would love to connect with others to start growing my network.

Looking forward to learning from all of you!


 For what it is worth I own in the Portland Metro and Multi fam in other states and I am trying to get that midwest money back into Oregon. What is worth mentioning is that for OOS investing YOU and your money are the real business. But that is just my experience and B neighborhoods. We will keep some out of state MF we own in Utah which is doing fine. We did used to live there and self manage those though. 

Interesting... May I ask what your challenges are in the Midwest that you aren't experiencing in Utah? Is it more that you are hands-on with your UT property since you self-manage? 

 Yeah I can self manage in Utah is a huge difference. Property Management companies are generally way worse at managing your property then you would be. Vacancies are higher, more evictions, higher maintenance costs. For example I bought a 10 unit in an area I thought was a b+ a- area where 100% occupied rents are about 2.5x my mortgage. I have done 5 or so evictions in 5 years and I mean barely made the payments without putting in my own money over the last 5 years. The people making money in these areas generally live there. I could make it profitable for sure if I could self manage and fix things myself. Also my advice would be whatever grade neighborhood you think youbare buying in subtract a letter grade from it lol. The other group making good money have a business designed to get some portion of YOUR money. If I could go back in time and buy 2 or 3 units within an hour of portland instead of 10 with "great cash flow" In the Midwest I definitely would.


Thank you for sharing your experience. We've been nervous about purchasing out of state for these reasons. 


 There is a lot of stuff within 1.5 hours of Portland that pencils out decently have you looked locally at all?

Post: I want to learn how to invest in real real estate.

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53

We own several rental units throughout the Portland Metro. House hacking is definitely the simplest and most cost effective way to get into the market if that works for your situation. If not it can help to try and find an opportunity to increase the value of the property as a rental. Would be happy to connect and chat further! Also you could broaden your lens to within an hour of Hillsboro and probably find some slightly higher cash flow. We almost bought a 4 unit in Cornelius that penciled out pretty well. 

Post: Newbie out of state investor looking to build network!

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Genesis Duncan:
Quote from @Scott Bowles:
Quote from @Genesis Duncan:

Hi all!

My name is Genesis. I'm not quite new to BP, been lurking in these forums for over a year now, but thought it was time to introduce myself.

I have one SF rental in Portland, Oregon, and am looking to purchase our first out-of-state investment. Specifically interested in buy and hold SF or MF properties with a focus on cash flow. 

Currently looking at Iowa: Cedar Rapids/Quad Cities and Ohio: Cleveland/Akron/Dayton. Would love to connect with others to start growing my network.

Looking forward to learning from all of you!


 For what it is worth I own in the Portland Metro and Multi fam in other states and I am trying to get that midwest money back into Oregon. What is worth mentioning is that for OOS investing YOU and your money are the real business. But that is just my experience and B neighborhoods. We will keep some out of state MF we own in Utah which is doing fine. We did used to live there and self manage those though. 

Interesting... May I ask what your challenges are in the Midwest that you aren't experiencing in Utah? Is it more that you are hands-on with your UT property since you self-manage? 

 Yeah I can self manage in Utah is a huge difference. Property Management companies are generally way worse at managing your property then you would be. Vacancies are higher, more evictions, higher maintenance costs. For example I bought a 10 unit in an area I thought was a b+ a- area where 100% occupied rents are about 2.5x my mortgage. I have done 5 or so evictions in 5 years and I mean barely made the payments without putting in my own money over the last 5 years. The people making money in these areas generally live there. I could make it profitable for sure if I could self manage and fix things myself. Also my advice would be whatever grade neighborhood you think youbare buying in subtract a letter grade from it lol. The other group making good money have a business designed to get some portion of YOUR money. If I could go back in time and buy 2 or 3 units within an hour of portland instead of 10 with "great cash flow" In the Midwest I definitely would.

Post: Newbie out of state investor looking to build network!

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Genesis Duncan:

Hi all!

My name is Genesis. I'm not quite new to BP, been lurking in these forums for over a year now, but thought it was time to introduce myself.

I have one SF rental in Portland, Oregon, and am looking to purchase our first out-of-state investment. Specifically interested in buy and hold SF or MF properties with a focus on cash flow. 

Currently looking at Iowa: Cedar Rapids/Quad Cities and Ohio: Cleveland/Akron/Dayton. Would love to connect with others to start growing my network.

Looking forward to learning from all of you!


 For what it is worth I own in the Portland Metro and Multi fam in other states and I am trying to get that midwest money back into Oregon. What is worth mentioning is that for OOS investing YOU and your money are the real business. But that is just my experience and B neighborhoods. We will keep some out of state MF we own in Utah which is doing fine. We did used to live there and self manage those though. 

Post: Duplex as a primary residence

Scott BowlesPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • West Linn, OR
  • Posts 113
  • Votes 53
Quote from @Candice Cervantes:

Hello! I’m looking into buying a duplex as a primary residence. One of the units is currently rented under market value. The other unit is vacant. Since Portland is such a tenant friendly city, I’m wondering if there is a loop hole or if I can choose the occupied unit to move into in an effort to rent the other at market value? Or would I be required to take the vacant unit? Thank you!


 I am in Portland as well it can be a hair tricky to manage there are some rules about asking tenants to leave there are also limits on rent increases see below: 

https://www.portland.gov/phb/rental-services/renter-relocation-assistance#toc-when-is-a-renter-eligible-for-relocation-assistance-

Have you already purchased the property?

Scott