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All Forum Posts by: Schuyler G.

Schuyler G. has started 3 posts and replied 22 times.

Quote from @Greg Scott:

I rarely invest where I would want to live.  My core investing philosophy is pretty simple, and has done very well across almost two decades and numerous cities:

1) Invest in cities with population (and job) growth

2) Invest in parts of the city where household income is near the median (or slightly below)

3) Invest in properties that provide cash flow from day 1


 Thank you for sharing that. Are you using a 20-35% down payment when evaluating point 3? 

Quote from @Greg Scott:

We manage three large apartment complexes in two different submarkets in Indianapolis.  We have a large sample size. In our experience, things move in ebbs and flows and the speed of rental depends on your asking rents relative to competition.

For example, there was a period of several months at one of our properties when a 3 or 4 BR unit came on the market it rented almost instantly.  The 1 and 2 BR units at the same property were not experiencing this.  The 3 and 4 BR units on the other side of town were not experiencing this.  While competition hadn't changed dramatically, we noticed some of the competition had pushed up rents on other 3 and 4 BRs in the area.  We started raising the rents on the 3 and 4 BR units until the rate of leasing slowed to a normal pace.

Fast forward two years and we found ourselves with higher vacancy on those same units.  We hadn't changed the rents in a while, but they weren't moving.  This time competition hadn't really changed, but it didn't make sense for us to sit with vacant units.  We took the reverse action and started lowering asking rents until they moved.

I suspect the reason that one property of yours turned quickly is because your asking rent was very favorable vs. local competition.  If you had priced it 50% higher, it would probably be sitting vacant several months later.

We have a property near several low-income apartments.  Those apartments are usually at 100% occupancy due to the low rents.  They have a wait list.  When a unit comes up, it is already spoken for.  They have almost zero vacancy.  The "fast turn" metric would suggest that is a hot property.  However, if you bought it and managed it as a market rate apartment, your experience would be very different.

My point is, I can control how fast a unit turns simply by adjusting my asking rents.  What I do not control is the natural level of rents in any given market at any given time.  I pay close attention to market pricing.


Thanks for the insight, Greg—I appreciate it.

What are the top three things you look for when deciding where to buy in a local market? I’m looking for a multi-family property or small apartment complex as a long-term investment. I’ve always felt that if I find a property in an area where "I’d want to live," is usually a good sign, but I’m curious how you go about underwriting a deal.

I’m in Phoenix, and I’ve been looking at the surrounding cities too. For example, Pinal County has the highest projected population growth over the next 30 years, but I’m not sure if that necessarily makes it a better market than Phoenix for long-term investments.

When evaluating a location, what are the most important things you focus on? Rental competition seems like a big one, but I’d love to hear how you weigh other factors too.

Thanks again for sharing your experience—it’s really helpful!

Quote from @Greg Scott:
Quote from @Schuyler G.:

Hi All, 

Just incase you don't make it past this sentence, my first question is.. DOES THIS EXIST? 

Summary: I’m currently working on a project to analyze rental market trends and help real estate investors, landlords, and property managers identify high-performing areas. My goal is to build a data-driven tool that provides actionable insights into which neighborhoods and property types are in the highest demand, based on metrics like:

  • Time on market: How quickly rentals are being leased.
  • Property characteristics: Bedrooms, bathrooms, size, and amenities.
  • Pricing trends: Rental rates relative to market demand and property features.
  • Visual quality: Leveraging property photos to analyze the style and condition of rentals that perform well.

The tool will allow users to:

  1. Pinpoint areas with the fastest rental turnovers.
  2. Understand what types of properties (size, price range, features) rent the quickest.
  3. Gain deeper insights into property presentation and amenities that correlate with high demand.

Thank you in advance for your feedback. I’m excited about the potential of this project and hope it can bring value to the real estate investment community.

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Not to be a downer, but I'm not clear how I would utilize this metric to manage my properties.  Knowing how fast or slow things are turning would not cause me to change how I manage my business.

I'm more concerned about current market rents  All else equal, I know that by lowering my rents $50 or $100, I can lease up my units almost instantly.  In other words, I can control how quickly I lease up based on how I price my units vs the competition.  What I don't control is the market price.

The specific business situation where this may be useful is on absorption of a new apartment complex units, but then they have a metric for that, absorption.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts Greg. I completely understand your point about pricing adjustments driving faster leases, but my experience has shown that other factors play a significant role in a rental's performance over time.

For example, I own three rentals with very different dynamics:

1. One of my rentals always rents quickly, consistently performing well in terms of tenant demand.

2. Another rental is in a great area but has struggled recently due to increased competition from newly built apartment complexes. The rent dropped from $2,750 last year to $2,450 this year, and it took two months to lease. There were a couple of variables at play like time of year and agent showing the property..

3. The third property is more niche—a premium rental with a large RV garage. This one requires a very specific tenant who values that feature.

    This variation got me thinking: How can I identify more properties like my first one? Rentals that are market-rate but lease quickly often reflect strong and steady demand. By analyzing metrics like average days on market over several years, I believe it’s possible to pinpoint investment opportunities in areas where specific property types (e.g., 2bd/2ba single-family homes) consistently perform well.

    Building on this, you can also analyze current rental rates relative to nearby "for sale" comps to estimate ROI. The idea is to find a pocket or neighborhood that offers the right combination of estimated ROI and rental demand, giving a balance of cash flow and tenant demand.

    In my view, this approach provides a more reliable signal of demand than relying solely on pricing adjustments or short-term market trends. It’s about uncovering high-demand niches that hold up even during fluctuations in the broader market.

    What I’m describing aligns partly with absorption, but I’m looking for a tool that allows me to drill down into the components of that absorption rate—filtering by factors such as the number of bedrooms, bathrooms, home type, amenities, and more.

    Do you see merit in this approach? Are there additional factors you think are worth considering? What tools are you using to evaluate markets?

    Thanks for your reply and merry Christmas!

    Hi All, 

    Just incase you don't make it past this sentence, my first question is.. DOES THIS EXIST? 

    Summary: I’m currently working on a project to analyze rental market trends and help real estate investors, landlords, and property managers identify high-performing areas. My goal is to build a data-driven tool that provides actionable insights into which neighborhoods and property types are in the highest demand, based on metrics like:

    • Time on market: How quickly rentals are being leased.
    • Property characteristics: Bedrooms, bathrooms, size, and amenities.
    • Pricing trends: Rental rates relative to market demand and property features.
    • Visual quality: Leveraging property photos to analyze the style and condition of rentals that perform well.

    The tool will allow users to:

    1. Pinpoint areas with the fastest rental turnovers.
    2. Understand what types of properties (size, price range, features) rent the quickest.
    3. Gain deeper insights into property presentation and amenities that correlate with high demand.

    Thank you in advance for your feedback. I’m excited about the potential of this project and hope it can bring value to the real estate investment community.

    Looking forward to hearing from you!

    For those who have invested in a market where home values exceed your rental income at the typical 20-35% down.. 

    How do you analyze it? Whats your rationale?

    I'm looking at a duplex where I would live in one unit and rent out the other. My monthly payment would be cheaper then anything I would rent in the area but it is still a negative cashflow property if I rented out both units. This will be a long term hold for me and eventually rents will catch up to my payment and turn positive. I also think there is opportunity to raise the rents if I put a bit of money into it. 

    Are you staying away from any/all properties with neg cashflow? Or are you still buying and why? 

    Post: My first property - what happened

    Schuyler G.Posted
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    Originally posted by @Mario Am:

    @Schuyler G. Just purchased a 3rd yesterday.

    Single, I wish I could invest in multi, apartment building are the best but the markets I invest in are not good markets for it.

    Are you investing in CA?

    Post: My first property - what happened

    Schuyler G.Posted
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    Originally posted by @Noah Mccurley:

    @Schuyler G.

    All seems to have gone very smoothly.

    What would you do differently in your next deal?

    I'll be looking at it from an investment standpoint. I'll need to digest all the advice in the responses on this post and further understand what makes a good deal. Continuing my education is my #1 right now.

    Post: My first property - what happened

    Schuyler G.Posted
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    • Votes 36
    Originally posted by @Mario Am:

    @Schuyler G. Congrats abd Goodluck.

    I’m 26 and already own 2, now looking into the 3rd and 4th it is very addicting.

     That's bad ***. Multi-family or single residences? 

    Post: My first property - what happened

    Schuyler G.Posted
    • Posts 22
    • Votes 36
    Originally posted by @Mark Allen:

    @Schuyler G. This was super helpful and pushed me over the edge to try the same thing. Thanks very much for posting.

    That's great. Good luck and keep us posted!

    Post: My first property - what happened

    Schuyler G.Posted
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    • Votes 36
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    Originally posted by @Schuyler G.:
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:
    its a long game there is Nothing wrong with a tenant paying off your mortgage in a VERY stable and potentially appreciating market or community.. and like others said you bought it to live in..

    you will find two camps on BP..

    One CASH flow is everything and the only reason to own rentals is to get the max amount of cash flow possible and appreciation is gambling luck or whatever.  this tends to be a mid west rust belt sentiment since those areas dont appreciate much or if they do % wise they are starting at such a low dollar amount its really nothing..  like if you buying a rental for 30k and it appreciated 10% in one year thats 3k  big deal right.  So for those investors its all about COC return and not IRR becasue they dont expect to sell the homes down the road for much more than they paid for them  if that.. and frankly could take loss's on them if they dont 1031 and have to pay recapture and sales load. So these investors its all about doors and scale.  and keep in mind where those folks are coming from they can buy 10 rentals for what you paid for that house and rent them for say 600 to 800 a month.. so that is their baseline and its the cards they are dealt you play the cards your market deals you.

    Then you have the west coast/east coast and say Denver and other higher priced markets and their  mind set.  Where cash flow out of the gate with minimum down is generally break even to a little negative but with rents rising in these areas it usually catchs up.. also exit if needed you are not doomed to only sell to another investor who wants a great deal.  You can actually sell to a home owner who could care less what the rent is.. they want to live there..  and for me personally being more west coast bia's cash flow means a place setter so i can then sell for big gains.  and we create big gains a few ways value add re gentrification of neighborhoods  IE path of progress..  Land in the path of progress  carefully chosen Timber or AG tracts etc etc.. so there is many ways to slice the real estate orange up.. end of the day though the true measure is IRR not COC .. that is if your ever going to stop being a landlord..


    My personality type would lead me towards the cash flow camp of investing. I like to mitigate unknowns as much as possible, if appreciation happens then that's a bonus. It's definitely hard to find opportunities for good cashflow on the coast it seems. It still exists in parts of Phoenix where gentrification is still happening, but even in Scottsdale you're starting to see home prices come up quite a bit over the last 2-3 years. 

    I'll be looking for a multi-family unit or a small apt complex for the next one. I'd like to find something I can live in while the other units pay my mortgage and I live for free. Not happening anywhere near the coast in SD for less than $1M-$1.5M and that's a fixer upper. 

    @Jay Hinrichs what is your favorite resource for more on this type of info:
    "..and we create big gains a few ways value add re gentrification of neighborhoods IE path of progress.. Land in the path of progress carefully chosen Timber or AG tracts etc etc.."

    Frankly I am my best resource for all of the above having done them all over my career.. I never read one book on real estate or listened to one pod cast.. I just got a license and mortgage bankers license and worked in the field and so I got on the job training.

    No substitute for experience!