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All Forum Posts by: Saranya Sundararajan

Saranya Sundararajan has started 9 posts and replied 42 times.

Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

At what selling price does the potential $50k income work out, mathematically? Follow this property and you might see a buyer who figured it out and a seller who recognizes it. 

Or someone who hasn’t bought it for investment alone. There are many reasons why someone buys a property. They could be buying it to use it themselves and then rent it out like 30% of the time. I am not going to get hung up on one property. We will continue to look but we are definitely being extra cautious and turning down many properties given our interest in pure STR. Also starting to expand our scope 
Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

Well then, you found the answer to support your decision. I wonder what would happen if you put in an offer using $45k -$50k as the income. Did the sellers buy high, did they renovate or update, are they in too much and would they be willing to sell at a loss? 


 it needs $68K to break even with where the current mortgage rates are and at this selling price

Quote from @Collin Hays:

$45K based on pre-COVID, which is where we are now.  Frankly, there's a lot of hot air out there right now over how much people are making.  Believe it at your financial peril.

I manage 28 properties, from Wears Valley to Cosby and all points in between, and there aren't ANY 2 bedroom cabins knocking down $80K in 2023.  I personally own a premium 2 bedroom luxury cabin, right on the Roaring Fork River in downtown Gatlinburg.  It's not going to do $80K this year.  Heck, it might not reach $70.

Let's get real, guys.

Exactly! This 
Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

Maybe, maybe not. It doesn’t seem low at $300 for a sleep 6 or a sleep 9. Now that you turned it down, what was the asking price?

$650k 
Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

The adr is down this year but your agent is still right about the projections. The other investor doesn’t self manage besides, even in this different market, if your purchase price works with the $80k projections, you’ll have your answer. If that includes paying a pm you’ll get a different answer. Check Airdna. 

Also 80k at 70% occupancy  is $300/night or at 80% occupancy is $266 - you think this lower than previous years ? 
Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

The adr is down this year but your agent is still right about the projections. The other investor doesn’t self manage besides, even in this different market, if your purchase price works with the $80k projections, you’ll have your answer. If that includes paying a pm you’ll get a different answer. Check Airdna. 

Got it. My point is airdna awning etc are projecting $50k for the property in consideration in shagbark. Another popular PM doesn’t believe it would make more than $45K. After triangulating multiple data points, we decided to walk away from the deal. 

this doesn’t discount the $80k projection. Every property is unique and a lot of it comes down to management, amnesties etc. our risk appetite was that we didn’t want to take a chance as the differential between $80k and $50k is huge enough to not ignore 
Quote from @Nancy Bachety:

That sounds right and we’ve had similar numbers. We’ve owned a 2 br 2 ba cabin in Shagbark since 2018 and is not “too far” at all. The cabins are not crowded next to each other and it’s under a five mile drive on scenic roads to PG. Close and secluded. Marketed right, and depending on the price, that will return well.

Very interesting. I heard from another investor who owns a 2b2ba in shagbark that her ADR and occupancy are down significantly this year so far and her PM hasn’t seen this kind of a drop in 12 years
Quote from @Travis Timmons:

@Zach Edelman Supply is not going down if those properties are being bought by other short term rental investors. Though I'm just watching from the sidelines, it appears that the Smokies market has shown a tolerance for buying at a 5-10% cash on cash return. This crash in prices that folks are hoping for just isn't coming.

I agree. I think the key is to find a property that will make the numbers work. Prices are unlikely to come down drastically 
Quote from @Brooklyn McCarty:

I would this is right on. 

I have a 2 bed that will gross about 80k this year and it has no view at all. 


 What did it do in 2018/19?

Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Saranya Sundararajan

What was it making in 2018 and 2019. I would not go off of covid numbers.

Why? Look at every chart related to almost anything (not only real estate) and you see this huge spike in 2020-2023 and now everything is in steep decline.


 I have only been using 2018/2019 but they bought the property in April 2022 and use it a lot for personal use. It’s making 50k with them using it personally apparently