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All Forum Posts by: Sarah Ware

Sarah Ware has started 0 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: New to searching for land for STRs - Looking for general advice

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

Morning Laura!  Depending on how you went about it, your best options will likely be something like this: https://www.flexmls.com/share/9ne6i/Grindstaff-Rd-Rd-Hartfor...I dont think this location is lucrative enough to be a year-round draw and money maker, but is the closest to Knoxville while still maintaining a draw for guests (Pro: mountains, river rafting; Con: worth repeating-still pretty far out). I'm not a tiny home guru, so others chiming in will be better apt to give good info, but idea-wise, it's my thought that STR cabins or LTR closer to Knoxville will be better investment long term and hassle. "Interesting land" is hard to find around Knoxville/Sevier right now that is priced well-enough to build unless you are contractor/developer with bigger project.

Post: New to Knoxville

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

Scott-Welcome to Knoxville :) The two best groups are Best Real Estate Investor Meetup (https://www.facebook.com/groups/977583229853696) and GRID Knoxville (https://www.facebook.com/groups/gridknoxville) in my opinion-there are others too! For investing-I would look at Oliver Springs-it's just north of Oak Ridge. Also Kingston/Harriman still have some great price points which are both just to the west.  I would always recommend walking a property yourself for your first deals.  No matter how fantastic we realtors are at finding you the right deal-it's a learning process for you and that walk through is where the Dream begins.  Dig in and again, Welcome.

Post: New to Wholesale

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

Benjamin, are you local to Nashville?  Best way is to connect with folks at investor meetups.  If you are not local, join their facebook groups (two bigger ones are: https://www.facebook.com/groups/nashville.tennessee.real.est... and https://www.facebook.com/groups/nashvillewholesalepropertyin...).  Often all you start with is that you have X specific property/ies and looking for anyone interested and you'll have a small crowd each time connect with you with email, etc.  Also dig into the Nashville Bigger Pockets forum-here is link to the beginner investor area (https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/12-starting-out?locatio...), you can also post your deals and you'll steadily build up your database of buyers.  When you want to start in Knoxville, I'd love to be on your list!

Post: Considering opening acquisitions in Knoxville

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

As a local Realtor, I'm always seeing and reading what is in the plans/changing in this market-it's a great investment area.  Personally, I have three doors currently, ramping up for buying 1-2/year.  Would love to connect, even if you have higher volume.

Post: Knoxville for Beginners?

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

Good morning Brendan!  Congrats on focusing in on Knoxville, it's a good location and still has some instant cash flow, as crazy as that sounds in this market.  Just to be realistic though, $250k wont buy you a multifamily here unless you are going farther out of town, or are talking about a distressed property from wholesaler.

I personally have found long-term rentals to be my own personal happy place but I'm a little less risky.  Our foray into travelling nurse furnished rental flopped a bit because in this market, you have to be in the exact right spot (Oak Ridge, Downtown Knox) or a small 1-bedroom at a low-price point.  Truly the bread and butter of travelling nurses in Knoxville this summer seems to be the unused extra 1-bedrooms in a family home that people are renting $800-1000/month all in.  Those rooms also do well for travelling couples, students, etc etc.

Example: this is only Multi (duplex) under $300k currently.  Let me know if you want to talk more details and we can hunker down and start diligently searching out the right place.

Post: Mid-Term Listing/Advertising Strategies

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @James Carlson:

@Alexander Knox

We get investor clients wanting an MTR in Denver or Colorado Springs and they always ask about targeting insurance companies or travel nurse groups, but I think that's overthinking it. The vast majority of medium term renters will look on the big platforms -- Airbnb, Zillow Rental Manager and Furnished Finders. So be where the eyeballs are, that's what I think.

You do have to think about each platform a little differently, though. For Airbnb, for instance, you should put "30+ day rental" in the headline to differentiate yourself from other listings that will show up in a search for a 3-month stay, but are really just short-term rentals with STR pricing.

For Zillow, which doesn't have headlines for its listings, you'll want to doctor your first photo to put "30+ day rental" overtop it in some way so that MTR renters can easily differentiate you from the mostly LTR listings on there.

Furnished Finders ... I still think it's worth posting there, but I'll say that none of our Colorado medium-term rentals, nor our clients midterm rentals, have gotten tenants from FF in awhile. I think they changed something in their algorithm, and something's off. 

Anyway, I wish you luck!

 I think this is very valuable info and will definitely use in future.  Thank you!


My experience just this very second with our very first unit (still waiting on sent lease to my 10/1-12/31 MTR people to be signed): I also furnished to attract Traveling Nurses (Knoxville, TN) and put our rental on Furnished Finder, FB Marketplace, and Airbnb. I got nothing at all for 10 straight days so out of a bit of worry, I accepted an airbnb guest for one week in mid-Oct and then immediately regretted it. I had continually reached out to all the 'almost' Furnished Finder people with a message about what my unit offered as the 'leads' came in, and usually offered them $200 off my rate/month for their travel period. That finally worked yesterday but I also had to accept a pet which makes me have some anxiety. But it's hypothetically rented, so whatever hump this was, we have pushed it three months down the road. I did cancel the Airbnb guy and while I profusely apologized, realized in the cancel process that Airbnb truly is a harder platform and likely best used for those of us that can do STR before the accepted MTR moves in (in my case, offer it for the next 10 days). We'll see how it all goes, again, this is our first experience with the three platforms in furnished scenario. I got no inquiries from any of the three for 30+ days on their own without effort in changing my requirements.

Last comment: it seemed in looking at Furnished Finder leads (people submitting housing requests that do not match your parameters (usually priced lower than you want))-most people in our market were looking for 1 bedrooms for $1200 or less. As a Realtor, I cannot find properties (SFR or Multi's) that can support that price. In researching other properties that were booked in my area- most were snapped up when an owner occupant advertised a singe-room in their house and could do for much lower than made financial sense for us. Best of luck!

Quote from @Yanfeng George Li:

Hello!

I bought vacant lands via delinquent tax sale auction in Tennessee. The one year redemption period already passed, now i own these properties (already registered in the county).  I plan to sell these lands, my question is, is selling with QuitClaim deed a good option? I think to convert the title to warranty title would cost thousands dollars and takes a long time, i don't want to go this direction. Also, where/how to find wholesalers? 

Many thanks!

George

George, in East Tennessee, you would need to move to quiet the trustee's deed to get full resale value and that usually happens after 3-5 years when they are reasonably sure no one will immediately challenge. Most successful through a lawyer and costs roughly $5k.  If you get a QCD from all known potential heirs (even though you already own it) that process can usually happen quicker.  This is the fastest way if you are not buying and holding-and sometimes includes a nominal payment to heirs just to speed up the process.  Giving a couple people $1000 each for their signature is much more valuable than waiting out the time to Quiet.  I'm not a lawyer-get your own advice, just was aware of client several times doing same process.  Good luck!

Post: Looking for portfolio lender in Tennessee for house-hack financing

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16

I always always have clients check with Rob at Movement Mortgage-he is a wizard at making things work.  Rob Breckenridge, (865)804-3288.

Post: Question about Knoxville STR permit

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
Quote from @Richard Elvin:

@Michael Baum I think @Sarah Ware was referencing overpaying for a property based on using it as a STR. If it wouldn't cash flow as a LTR, then don't buy it as a STR unless you are willing to bet on regulations staying unchanged. (Which is a fair bet in vacation rental markets, but a risky bet in urban areas.)


 Man, I should have just stuck with that.  Well said.

Post: Question about Knoxville STR permit

Sarah WarePosted
  • Realtor
  • Knoxville, TN
  • Posts 28
  • Votes 16
So, I am curious about this statement. Do you normally see a STR valued higher than a LTR or standard home?
No, but as an investor you can pay a higher purchase price still making sure that your numbers work.  In this situation, likely would pay more than an owner occupant would.

Do you not use comps to compare values? How were they financed at the higher value vs comps?
Usually financed same.

 

OP was discussing STR without a permit. Example House is $330k in city limits.  Let's say for arguments sake we buy at list price and don't negotiate.  15% down at 8% investment loan.  With taxes and insurance, lets ballpark the payment at $2400.  On Airbnb, that house (fully furnishing not factored in) would likely make conservatively $400/month in profit or more after usual costs including utilities and management company.  That same person with same downpayment could alternatively rent same property as LTR for $2200-2300/month, a loss of at least several hundred dollars per month.  Obviously, many factors come into play here- but on the table as the example presents- the investor literally likely not afford to hold onto the house if he bought and expected to indefinitely STR it.  They would likely want to sell/move money into a cash-flowing scenario instead of holding when the STR door closed.  

The argument there goes that the house is more valuable as a short-term rental (which to beat the horse, it's not permitted for) and I would counsel my clients to not buy at the $330k purchase price. If same house was indeed permitted STR-in this case finding a similar house less than a mile away in County only, we could afford to pay same asking/more under the assumption that the monthly income stayed similarly positive and we were planning on refinancing.

***Edit: Please note that I am not advocating for buying the example property as STR or LTR at current numbers. I am conservative in everything.