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All Forum Posts by: Sarah DeMamiel

Sarah DeMamiel has started 1 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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I regret posting this original post. 
ultimately, for an update, we invested wisely (I believe). We have one fantastic rental propery. It’s now appraised far more than we paid. It’s been a process, for sure. We’re happy with it. 
thanks to those who had helpful insights to contribute.
peace out ✌🏻 


Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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Quote from @Ashley Madalone:
I don't know if I'd use the $400,000 to flip or BRRRR as an "intro" to Real Estate investing for someone who is looking for cash now as well as generational wealth.

You could use the $400,000 as leverage into a $2,000,000 property that cash flows $20K+ per month.  Wouldn't that solve her desire to live large now and leave a legacy?

 I mean… when you put it that way. Certainly could. 

Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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Quote from @James Hamling:

Ok @Sarah DeMamiel I got 1 word for you: Nashville

I think you're nutz to go from 0 too flipping, but if gonna go play, Nashville. But I say DON'T flip yourself, find someone in the market killing it and become a financial backer. Private $. 

Reality is you won't learn to flip yourself without making some pretty big mistakes, mistakes that cost $, maybe all you're $. The path to becoming a proficient flipper is a veritable graveyard, most fail, that's the un-marketed reality. 

So "hack" it, hitch your wagon to the right "Rising Star" and enjoy the rewards together. 


 Good advice, thank you!

Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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Multi-Family would be a good strategy and if you build the right team could be very lucrative 


 I’ve been focused primarily on single-family, but I will admit it’s not based on any specific research. So, I would do well not to rule out multi-family. I’ll look further into it. Thanks for the seed. 


 You couldn't go wrong with single family either. Especially in one of the B class areas in Chattanooga. I have contacts with contractors' property managers and lenders. If anything about the Chattanooga market sfu or mfu, interests you. I'd be happy to get you in contact with the services providers I work with. They would be happy to answer any questions you may have.

Thank you for that! Let me look into it further, that may be something we’re interested in. I very much appreciate it.

Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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Quote from @Alan Asriants:

With someone without experience I would recommend buying a well maintained small multi family home 2-4 units in a solid A-B area. 

Your risk is lower in this scenario, and trying to squeeze BRRRR and flips in this market is tight and risky. If you want to invest in RE, i'd play it safe.

That is certainly worth entertaining. Thank you.

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Quote from @Mike Morgan:

Multi-Family would be a good strategy and if you build the right team could be very lucrative 


 I’ve been focused primarily on single-family, but I will admit it’s not based on any specific research. So, I would do well not to rule out multi-family. I’ll look further into it. Thanks for the seed. 

Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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I have $400,000 to invest for my mother. She is older and would like to have an opportunity to have higher returns on her money at this point in her life. We were initially looking to flip homes, which would potentially bring higher immediate cash returns for her enjoyment in her later years, however I’ve been researching the brrrr method as well to generate cash flow without the stress that flip process may cause her. Supplementing her SS with rental cash flow income may be enough for her to go enjoy life to the fullest AND leave the legacy for her kids and grandkids after she’s gone (that’s also very important to her). 
any thoughts, experiences and nuggets of wisdom are welcomed!


 Buy rentals with 10% or better net caps. With 400k you can get about 8 with seller financing. about 50k down per. I am closing this week on 2 more SF, PP all in under 100k, with 1300 - 1600 in rent, 

All the best 

That’s awesome! I’ll be mulling this over. Thanks for sharing 

Post: $400,000 To flip or to brrrr? Or both?

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Quote from @Robin Simon:

The beauty here is you don't have to necessarily choose which strategy you are embarking on for the first process of these strategies (buying a property in need of rehab and doing the renovations) - the best investors typically will have multiple exit strategies and can make unemotional decisions once the property is completed whichever way the numbers point to (flipping or keeping and renting/refinancing i.e. BRRRR)


Thank you for the comment! You know, that’s what I was thinking. Coming to the end of a project running the numbers and asking myself if keeping or selling is the best way to go on that particular property.

Yes, I’ll save the emotions for my personal residence! The investment properties are all about the numbers.

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Quote from @John Mason:

I would look into getting into a  Joint Venture with an experienced investor for  a  while and splitting profits on the deal using a structure


 Thanks for the comment. I’ll research that further.

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Quote from @Nicholas L.:

@Sarah DeMamiel

it sounds like you have done quite a bit of homework and are putting together a team. that's great. but these are still very tough strategies for beginners in today's market. i just tried a BRRRR (my 4th) in a market i'm familiar with. the numbers didn't work when i went to refinance, so I sold it (as @Jaron Walling noted, it turned into a flip.)  

it was a great project, i'm proud of it, i took a house built in 1900 that wasn't livable and brought it back to life, and i made a little bit of money... but it wasn't worth the time i put into it.  

you asked for specifics so here's a comment and a question.

-if you do a BRRRR correctly, you likely won't get any cash flow.  rates are too high.  you'll break even on rent and get all or most of your cash back out when you refi.  so BRRRR right now is an equity strategy, not a cash flow strategy.  if you want immediate cash flow, that's great - BRRRR is just the wrong strategy for it.

-can your agent help you get off market deals? there are certainly exceptions, but in general, to flip or BRRRR you have to buy something distressed that is off market.

hope this helps

 I appreciate the comment and the questions. I understand it is a tough market, but the timing is the timing. So here we are.
Ultimately, having big cash flow isn’t terribly important in the short term. Would it be nice, sure but it’s not necessary. SOME cash flow is necessary for us to move forward with the deal, however.
1900s! wow, very cool. I do love old houses so much! I love to see them come back to life.  Someday I would like to live in one. I won’t be buying any for investment though, not initially. Too many unforeseen issues.
I do have a great agent who is an investor herself. The rents are quite high in and around my area. I'm patient. I'm only going to move forward with the deal if the numbers make good sense. As you said, distressed is a must. As much forced equity as I can get out of a property, is the goal. Quality is important, but I'm not going to put more into it then I'm going to get out of it. I want single-family initially, no HOA's, good school district. I'll keep diligently searching until something comes along that we believe makes sense.
My mom and I started a business in California after we were told “don’t bother it’s an over saturated market“ and “it’s too difficult“. Well, we ended up being the most successful in our area. We sold our business and moved to Georgia following my husband’s job promotion.
My mom had me as a teenager so she’s young (relatively speaking ) very active and very capable, as am I. That said, she’s not at the beginning or even necessarily the middle of her life so we’re taking that into consideration.
The few pats on the head (not from you, thanks for that) I’ve been getting in this comment section is actually not a bad thing. We got the same reaction to our initial business plans in California and I have to say, nothing lit a fire under my *** more.