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All Forum Posts by: Samson Hall

Samson Hall has started 3 posts and replied 14 times.

Quote from @Joe Homs:

@Samson Hall don't let anyone hold you back.  You will go far with this positive attitude.  Reach out to @Alex Barnett who is virtually wholesaling in your area and can help you with those leads.

Good Investing...

Thank you! I’ll reach out rn, thanks again for your input I really appreciate it. Have a great day

I'm graduating High School in a month and I want to get straight into Real Estate, I'm 17 so until I'm 18 I'm unable to get my real estate license (though its not needed in the state of FL for assigning contracts) and I don't have an LLC that would allow me to sign REI documents.

I'm looking for advice from someone who's been in the wholesaling game, whether it be virtual or not. I'd love to do some birddog work in return for a fee for the find and the privilege of watching how the game is played. I've got some leads in Tampa and Jacksonville currently, if interested comment or message me. 

I know im young and foolish, but i still appreciate any feedback you might have. Even if its criticism, anything is helpful!

Quote from @Kai Kopsch:
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Quote from @Kai Kopsch:

@Samson Hall, congratulations on starting real estate investing at a young age! There is no need to create an LLC right away; save your money and invest in yourself! Yes, your education, and don't fall for online classes on wholesaling. This is the toughest way to start in Real estate, with over 95% of people failing. An easier way of starting is to get your real estate license and work a few years for a Borker team and get paid right away.

Thank you! That was originally my plan, however legislation in Florida is creating hard times for realtors. I’ve spoken to 3 multi million dollar realtors in the area, all of them told me it that they certainly don’t recommend it right now. 

As to the reason I want to create an LLC is because I can't sign documents as a minor (17), however under an LLC I'm able to.


If I had heeded all the advice from those cautioning against becoming a realtor, I would never have owned any real estate. 🏠🔑 The problem with wholesaling is some restrictions that unlicensed wholesalers need to be aware of. Like many other states, wholesalers in Florida cannot represent a buyer or seller in any real estate transactions if they do not have a real estate license. 

Wholesaling is an exit strategy for REI, but it is only for a few big businesses. To do it right, you need a marketing budget of 15K+ monthly and the money to buy the property if something goes wrong. Getting an RE license doesn't break the bank, and you get paid for education if you work for a team. To be clear, you don't need a license to get started, but it's ten times more likely to get a paid job in RE having one.

Okay, thank you for the insight! Any books you might recommend for becoming a broker?
Quote from @Kai Kopsch:

@Samson Hall, congratulations on starting real estate investing at a young age! There is no need to create an LLC right away; save your money and invest in yourself! Yes, your education, and don't fall for online classes on wholesaling. This is the toughest way to start in Real estate, with over 95% of people failing. An easier way of starting is to get your real estate license and work a few years for a Borker team and get paid right away.

Thank you! That was originally my plan, however legislation in Florida is creating hard times for realtors. I’ve spoken to 3 multi million dollar realtors in the area, all of them told me it that they certainly don’t recommend it right now. 

As to the reason I want to create an LLC is because I can't sign documents as a minor (17), however under an LLC I'm able to.

I'm in swfl and looking to invest in real estate straight out of high school, I'm creating a LLC to sign documents legally. First I want to build capital through wholesale to start my first house hack. I've got a couple leads in Tampa, and found some comps for them as well. I'd be more then willing to do a small bird dog fee in return for just viewing the process of wholesale. If anyone has advice or would like to take me up on the offer be free to message or comment. Thank you!

Quote from @Tyler Kinney:

Welcome John, 

I would love to share some options with you here in SWFL. We have a few builders that we work with on new construction for SFR that once completed you have the option to rent out or sell at a retail value as a build-to-flip option. Our area is experiencing tremendous growth & plenty of opportunity here for investing depending on what you decide. Check out my page, I'm new to BP but have linked our social media & I enjoy working with investors like yourself.

Happy hunting 

Hey Tyler, 

im down in swfl as well, I’d love to see what you have in terms of small multi family properties as well as any flip properties.
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Quote from @MARK S KING:

Hello, any input on the best market for section 8? Looking for a way to analyze the highest allowance from Sec8 vs the lowest priced homes, wondering where you can get the most bang for your buck. I have heard the target is at least 400-500 per month net positive cash flow based on 20% down. Where are you seeing opportunities? Thank you!


 Saw Cleveland was mentioned as a Section 8 destination for you. I've been killing it with Section 8 deals in Cleveland for over a decade. Some other areas in Ohio you may want to look into for Section 8 deals are Akron, Canton, Youngstown and Toledo. All of those markets have been good to me as well.


 I’m looking to get into section 8 in Ohio as well, do you think you could provide some numbers on one of your properties. CocRoi, Cashflow, and dscr would all be helpful as well as expenses


 I do that on my show everyday.

Subscribing rn, lol.
Quote from @Travis Biziorek:
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Quote from @MARK S KING:

Hello, any input on the best market for section 8? Looking for a way to analyze the highest allowance from Sec8 vs the lowest priced homes, wondering where you can get the most bang for your buck. I have heard the target is at least 400-500 per month net positive cash flow based on 20% down. Where are you seeing opportunities? Thank you!


 Saw Cleveland was mentioned as a Section 8 destination for you. I've been killing it with Section 8 deals in Cleveland for over a decade. Some other areas in Ohio you may want to look into for Section 8 deals are Akron, Canton, Youngstown and Toledo. All of those markets have been good to me as well.


 I’m looking to get into section 8 in Ohio as well, do you think you could provide some numbers on one of your properties. CocRoi, Cashflow, and dscr would all be helpful as well as expenses


 Hey Samson, I have several S8 properties in Detroit and I'm extremely open with my numbers and performance of those over the years.

Happy to share if you're interested (or anyone else).

That would be extremely helpful! If I may ask do you manage your properties yourself or do you have a PM
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @MARK S KING:

Hello, any input on the best market for section 8? Looking for a way to analyze the highest allowance from Sec8 vs the lowest priced homes, wondering where you can get the most bang for your buck. I have heard the target is at least 400-500 per month net positive cash flow based on 20% down. Where are you seeing opportunities? Thank you!


 Saw Cleveland was mentioned as a Section 8 destination for you. I've been killing it with Section 8 deals in Cleveland for over a decade. Some other areas in Ohio you may want to look into for Section 8 deals are Akron, Canton, Youngstown and Toledo. All of those markets have been good to me as well.


 I’m looking to get into section 8 in Ohio as well, do you think you could provide some numbers on one of your properties. CocRoi, Cashflow, and dscr would all be helpful as well as expenses

Quote from @James Wilcox:
Quote from @Samson Hall:

Hey everybody, I’m getting out of high school and looking to do my first deal. I’m looking to do section 8 rentals in the rust belt, states like West Virginia and Ohio, Although I live in Florida. Not looking for concessions here just seeing if anyone has experience in that field. Although I’d like to do a large dscr loan and get 4 to 5 three and four bedroom units, I’m likely goin to start with just one quality property in order to establish proof of concept to present to future down payment partners or private money lenders. If anybody’s got advice I’m here to learn and listen, thank you!

@Samson Hall I agree with some of the concerns that Jonathan has brought up. S8 isn't for everyone and does have draw backs. However, as you pointed out it does have advantages. You have done some homework and I applaud that. 

Now that being said I kind of doubt your numbers are correct on your example. I really doubt with a DSCR loan your monthly cash flow is that on this example property. I would maybe even wager you are negative or break even just looking at cash flow. FMR displayed on the HUD site is with utilities included. That would cut into your expenses a good amount, add property taxes, insurance, property management, repairs, capex, and a small vacancy rate and you can see that number starts to go down rapidly. Best thing to do is to call the local housing authority and they can explain some numbers for you and the process (assuming you can get ahold of them).

You could always just post the numbers here or in the proper forum and double check it.

Hey thanks for taking the time to call me out on my mistakes(IK THAT MIGHT SEEM SARCASTIC, ITS NOT)I did take into consideration cap ex, repairs, property management, debt services, taxes, and insurance. I didn’t factor a higher interest rate( 8-10%), lastly I mistook Cashflow as net profit for each month (noobie mistake).   

I recalculated and my monthly net profit comes out around 700/mo, although Im not aware of the utility costs in the area I have heard that if you choose to have HUD roll your utilities in they take 20% of your rent for the utilities each month(110% Fmr to 90%). In my case that is roughly 400 dollars, which is what I factored in to my most recent calculation as well as a 9% interest on the loan. Thanks again for calling me out, I'm still learning and I greatly appreciate it! Better now then later anyways lol.