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All Forum Posts by: Sonny Dhillon

Sonny Dhillon has started 5 posts and replied 37 times.

Post: Difficult First Self Storage Deal

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Henry Clark:

@Bob Vollmer

a.  Do you plan to do more Self Storage?  If not, don't do this deal.  If you do, then the learning part of this is worth it, if the numbers come close.

b.  Market strength- Someone has to be the low-cost provider.  Thats your strength in this market.  Do a rent rate analysis on the 80 10x10's.  Don't worry about the other sizes, you don't have that many.  Even with your future rate hikes are you still the low-cost provider by say $20/$40 per month?  You're not competing against the other new locations.  6,000 people, this is a market of around 400 units; Count the number of units existing.  Are there lots of people outside the town?

c.  Financials:  Change these figures to boots on the ground.

Rent-  $62,000 per year, don't use your "improved" numbers.

Insurance- $2,500

Prop tax- $5,000

Maint.- $3,000

Electric- add.  $2,000

Camera and alarm system- $500 per year, about $25,000 up front to install.

Gate and fence- don't do, tear out the old fence and do something that looks good. $0 per year.

Management- you, do you live local.

Water/fire hydrant- don't do.

Old portables- either 20 foot cargo containers for $4,500 each if available, or $7,000 for 8 x 20 portable metal. No property taxes, permits, or fire hydrant.

Depreciation expense- do as much year one write-off to get up front cash flow, from reduced taxes.

P/I at $2,500 per month at say 5% interest = $2,625 per month times 12 = $31,500 per year.

Income taxes= $?????

After all of the costs above, depreciation- then add back for cash, income taxes, interest expense; let's say cash flow of $45,000.

Less P/I of $31,500 per year.  Keep in mind each $2,500 you pay in each month, your building equity.

Net cash flow of say $13,000 per year.

Is this a good deal?

No-  $550,000 less $75,000 down.  $2,500 per month would be about a 16 year payback.  Better than most investments but not within our parameter of 8 to 12 years.  Now take the $2,500 per month, add in the additional Cash flow of $13,000 per year, for a potential payment of $33,000 per year; then a payback of $550-$75/$33= 14.39 years.   

Yes- Still not where I like, but you are building equity in a market where stocks and bond don't look good and fighting for SFH/MFH deals is hard and you need appreciation as your goal. Most importantly though, back to my first question, are you going to do more than one deal? Then the learning will be worth it.

The Deal:

a.  This is off the market.  Lock down the deal.  Make an offer, with a due diligence period of 45 days.  Put down a redeemable deposit of $10,000 to lock the deal down.

b.  Lock down the rent roll first.  Do the rate comparison on the 10 x 10's next.  Make sure you will be far enough under market to attract the Cost Conscious.

c.  Offer Starting point- three-day offer, Total of $530,000; $75,000 down, 5% interest, 5-year balloon, with $2,000 per month principal payment plus interest, $100,000 noncompete agreement as part of the $530,000; Everything is negotiable, explain that to them.  I would start with the overall number that works for you, then work your way up.  IE change the $530,000 as needed.

d.  Break the offer down as follows, do an asset purchase and not a company purchase:  This will help support a Cost segregation for tax purposes.  This is the last year you can do 100%.

- $100,000 Noncompete agreement- 15 year amort life, thus you can write off in year one for tax cash flow, loss carryforward if not used.

- $200,000 Concrete pad structures- keep as much away from this as possible since longer depreciation

- $100,000 portable buildings- based on conditions, do 15 year life and write off.

- $20,000 roads- 15 year life or less write-off

- $10,000 fence- 15 year life or less, write-off

- $100,000 land- keep as low as possible since you can't depreciate.

Talk with your Tax person and see if you can do year one tax write-off.  You're a real estate agent?  Ask them about your professional standing.

Keep a little cash on the side for repairs.  a.  Doors, b.  Road, c.  Paint, d.  Roof overlay.

If there is a lot more demand and this is in a great location, use it as your advertising.  Then find a spot out of sight you can send people to.

Calculate your Failure:

Do a few Failure scenarios.  Then determine if this is acceptable.  Most people never invest, not because of the profit or success potential, but because of the boogey man or failure and they don't wrap their arms around it.  Failure can still be positive cash flow, just not as good as you projected.  But at least you started down the road.

Start small and Make Your Big Mistakes Early.

 HI @Henry Clark  , I'm also getting into self storage and was reading your post above and understood most of it , but i didn't quiet understood below : why do we need noncompete and how does that work from the seller .. I thought it was mostly for business and not sure how that works in self storage   i do get that we can have the seller do 15 year amort life , but how do we write the whole thing in year one tax 


- $100,000 Noncompete agreement- 15 year amort life, thus you can write off in year one for tax cash flow, loss carryforward if not used.



- $100,000 Noncompete agreement- 15

Post: Next large investment: Car Wash or Storage Unit facility?

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Juan V Lopez:
Quote from @Kevin Douglas:

@Juan V Lopez - how is the search and evaluation going? I’m actively doing a deep dive into the car wash business model and have a big chunk of capital allocated to start making offers on properties when I’m ready. Have you learned anything else interesting so far? 

I think @Nathan Gesner has great advice. I’m going to start calling around to local businesses and see if I can generate any leads! 

After the research I did after posting this, I decided to narrow my search to storage facilities. I'm attending a storage conference in Vegas in April 2022 and have been digesting a ton of AJ Osborne's content on self storage. While car washes might produce a higher dollar-for-dollar profitability, storage seems to be a much better fit for what I want – less maintenance, less employees, less things that can go wrong in the day-to-day.

Much of the feedback I've gotten on storage so far has pointed me to cold contact local mom & pop storage owners and inquire about purchasing their property. The opportunity would then be in updating their payment systems to new tech, building a strong online presence so people can book online, marketing to the local community and offering items for purchase inside of the facility (locks, moving boxes, dolly rental, etc).

How's your car wash search going, brother?
Hi Juan 
how’s your search going for self storage , I would like to connect with you . I been also thinking of car wash and self storage but like you leaning toward self storage , so wanted to see if you did get one and can share some pointers 

Post: Self Storage Investing Books?

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10
Quote from @Michael Wagner:
Originally posted by @Matthew Rembish:

@Michael Wagner

Wow, thank you so much for your input. I subscribed to your blog and just read a few of your articles; great stuff! If you ever have some time, I'd love to ask you more questions on the phone or possibly PM. Whatever would work for you. Thanks!

 Happy to answer a few questions for you.  In the spirit of full disclosure, I do want to tell you that I offer formal consulting to folks at an hourly rate.  As part of that though, I am happy to provide you with 30 minutes or so over the phone for FREE. I promise to use NONE of that time to sell my consulting services.  My only goal would be to purge as much self storage information to you as possible in hopes of getting you started on the right foot.  IF you decide more services would be beneficial in the future, great! If not, that is also totally cool.  

PM for a phone number if you want to chat.

Mike


 hi Mike,

I'm also thinking of getting into self storage , more of toward building one because I'm in California and the one's that come on sale are at 4-5 cap and I can't seem to make any sense to purchase those and wanted to get more information how would I go about building , I do have the basic knowledge but would like to see if you have experience in it and can provide some consulting.   

Post: Property Manager Recommendation in yuba city area

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

We own  few mobile homes and duplex in Yuba city area and are in need for a property manager , basically to collect rent and stay on top of rent roll and be very proactive if rent not received to pass out notices.  We really need a good recommendation for an affordable property management company or some manager that communicates properly  and will not take advantage of that situation.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Sonny Singh

Post: Due Diligence Partners - Anybody used them?

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

hi Reid,

did you use them , i would also like to know about them 

Post: Sacramento/Elk Grove Housing Crash

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

currently i see massive amount of properties are coming for sale in oakland area , can you explain me why that might be ? 

Post: Sacramento/Elk Grove Housing Crash

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

I personally don't think house prices will come down any in Sacramento area at all , because of people moving out of bayarea will increase this year and next year as more and more people are considering leaving congested areas and have options to work from home now.   

Increase in foreclosures after forbearance and unemployment money ends.  

But this time banks don't want to foreclose and will work with homeowner to make payment arrangement and there is no unemployment in this area in reality. 

2. Lack of business reopening due to extended COVID lockdowns.

But alot of new businesses are opening up as more and more people want to get in business becuase they are getting used to working in there own hours and don't want to go back to 9-5 jobs. 

3. Crime/poverty increases.

i don't see that ,  offcourse property prices are falling in Oakland and san francisoc because nobody wants to live there going forward, but they are increasing everywhere else. 

4. Decrease in rent prices in the Bay Area encouraging people to stay and causing slower growth in surrounding areas.

I think this pandemic has changed alot of people's mind and will be changing mindsets where more and more people would want to own there own home because of the way future jobs will work and people want to get away from daily hustle bustle of congested areas. 

Post: Help With investor friendly lenders in Alabama

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

Josh are you from alabama as well.  I'm in california and looking to buy rental in alabama but not sure yet which area to look for ?

Post: To invest or not to invest?

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

@Jose Guzman look for duplex if you can but I believe after elections will be best time to buy .

Post: Need CPA recommendation in Northern California

Sonny DhillonPosted
  • Investor
  • Manteca, CA
  • Posts 37
  • Votes 10

Hello, I am wondering if someone could recommend a CPA in the stockton, ca , Sacramento are that is experienced in working with RE investors. Thanks in advance